2020 Presidential Race

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#37,826
McDad said:
You're joking.

Dukakis lead by 17???

That must've been before "the tank".
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It was actually a week or two later than this coming off his convention bounce. Can’t remember how long it lasted, but it seems like he went from +17 to basically even by Labor Day which is kind incredible to do in 6 or 7 weeks.
 
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LouderVol said:
And states were saying they didnt want or need it.....until they did.

Like I said Trump WAS more out in front and the Dems told him to check his self. Then things got bad and suddenly after the fact it was all on Trump? He messed up after that, after the states had ignored him the first time, tried to handle it themselves the second time, and then turned to Trump on the third.

This is the double sided arguments that have lead us to be where we are partisan over everything.

Why would you expect anyone to be ready to have a perfect plan in place after you told them you didnt want/need their help?

Its inconsistent AF.
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BS. It is the job of the Federal Government of the Chief Executive to take the necessary steps to help the states even if they say they don’t need it. If Trump and Jared Kushner can send PPE to China and Russia they should been prepared to send it to Arizona and other states. Trump can delegate the tasks but he can not delegate the responsibility.
 
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headhunter15 said:
Joe Biden unveiled his $2 trillion Climate Plan. I do believe we should worry and do stuff about the climate. However, in today’s economic climate of uncertainty, is there not anything better America could find to help the people?
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It will be 4-5 years before the economy fully recovers. Biden’s plan looks to be a modern New Deal but without the BS of AOC Green New Deal. The green New Deal was projected to cost $93 trillion over a decade. Biden’s plan costs $2 trillion. Unlike AON and her gang it looks like Biden’s team did the cost benefit analysis. His plan invests in infrastructure, the auto motive industry, agriculture, housing, and innovation. I would have added rural high speed internet and water investment.
 
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GAVol said:
1988: Dukakis +17
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There was one poll showing Michael Dukakis with a 14 point lead in 1988, but that was much higher than the polling averages of the time. In 1988, painting a Democrat as a liberal who was soft on crime could be a very effective ploy. George Bush started gaining ground in large part to the Willie Horton ad and other similar ads which accused Dukakis of granting furloughs to violent felons. Among other things that the Bush campaign manager, the notorious mud-slinger Lee Atwater, used was spreading rumors among the conservative media of the time (Robert Novak of CNN, William F. Buckley of the National Review) was that Dukakis had been treated with electro-shock therapy when he was in his 20's. Just before his death from cancer in 1991, Atwater called Dukakis and apologized for these tactics. The documentary "The Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story" details these things very well. The 1988 presidential election campaign was very ugly - mostly because of him.
 
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carlos86 said:
It will be 4-5 years before the economy fully recovers. Biden’s plan looks to be a modern New Deal but without the BS of AOC Green New Deal. The green New Deal was projected to cost $93 trillion over a decade. Biden’s plan costs $2 trillion. Unlike AON and her gang it looks like Biden’s team did the cost benefit analysis. His plan invests in infrastructure, the auto motive industry, agriculture, housing, and innovation. I would have added rural high speed internet and water investment.
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Seems like that pledge to be carbon free by 2035 is going to be a hard sell in places where coal, oil and natural gas are big. I didn’t understand pushing that at the same time they’re trying to put PA and TX in play.
 
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GAVol said:
Seems like that pledge to be carbon free by 2035 is going to be a hard sell in places where coal, oil and natural gas are big. I didn’t understand pushing that at the same time they’re trying to put PA and TX in play.
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In play? Pennsylvania is more than just "in play"... it's in deep blue. The Democrats have always been pushing that... and they usually do win PA.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
In play? Pennsylvania is more than just "in play"... it's in deep blue. The Democrats have always been pushing that... and they usually do win PA.
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Maybe a bad choice of words. Still, I’m not sure how crapping on oil, natural gas and conventional automobiles plays just yet.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There was one poll showing Michael Dukakis with a 14 point lead in 1988, but that was much higher than the polling averages of the time. In 1988, painting a Democrat as a liberal who was soft on crime could be a very effective ploy. George Bush started gaining ground in large part to the Willie Horton ad and other similar ads which accused Dukakis of granting furloughs to violent felons. Among other things that the Bush campaign manager, the notorious mud-slinger Lee Atwater, used was spreading rumors among the conservative media of the time (Robert Novak of CNN, William F. Buckley of the National Review) was that Dukakis had been treated with electro-shock therapy when he was in his 20's. Just before his death from cancer in 1991, Atwater called Dukakis and apologized for these tactics. The documentary "The Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story" details these things very well. The 1988 presidential election campaign was very ugly - mostly because of him.
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Dukakis Lead Widens, According to New Poll
 
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GAVol said:
Seems like that pledge to be carbon free by 2035 is going to be a hard sell in places where coal, oil and natural gas are big. I didn’t understand pushing that at the same time they’re trying to put PA and TX in play.
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In the last 3 years over 51 coal plants have gone out of business. Coal is being replaced by natural gas and solar power. Biden has already as he won’t put any restrictions on the current natural gas mining in PA and TX but he will not grant new leases on Federal land.

U.S. coal-fired power plants closing fast despite Trump's pledge of support for industry

Coal’s Decline Continues with 13 Plant Closures Announced in 2020
Biden Says Fracking Jobs Won't Be 'on the Chopping Block' If He's Elected
 
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headhunter15 said:
Yeah, I have to disagree with that logic. They should play it live or tape delay and analyze it afterword.
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Well, this is one thing that probably could have been fact-checked in real time: Yesterday, President Donald Trump seemed to be blaming former President Barack Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden (who both left office on January 20, 2017) for something (but it's unclear exactly what he was talking about). This is definitely one of the stranger things that Donald Trump has ever done. Here is a verbatim transcript of a question and his answer:

CBS REPORTER, WEIJIA JIANG: "President Trump, you've said many times that the number of coronavirus cases is going up because testing is increasing."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: "That's right."

CBS REPORTER, WEIJIA JIANG: "Do you acknowledge that it's going up for other reasons too: for example. that it's actually spreading? And what are you going to do to stop the spread?"

PRESIDENT TRUMP: "Well, you know that we have one of the lowest mortality rates anywhere. If you know, (former Vice President Joe) Biden and (former President Barack) Obama stopped their testing: they just stopped it. You probably know that. I'm sure you don't want to report it. But they stopped testing. Right in the middle, they just went, "No more testing," and on a much lesser problem that we have, obviously with respect to -- this is the worst thing that's happened since probably 1917. This is a very bad -- all over the world. It's 188 countries right now.

But, no, we are -- we test more than anybody, by far. And when you test, you create cases. So we've created cases. I can tell you some countries, they test when somebody walks into a hospital sick or walks into maybe a doctor's office, but usually a hospital. That's the testing they do, so they don't have cases, whereas we do -- we have all of these cases. So, you know, it's a double-edged sword."

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Wow. That leaves a lot to take in. Even by Trump's standards, that was an incoherent and rambling mess. If Trump is alluding to the way the Obama Administration handled the Swine Flu in 2009, than he is just wrong. There was no policy ever implemented by the Obama Administration to reduce testing. If Trump is blaming the Obama Administration for his own administration's response to the COVID-19 outbreak... then that is simply a whole new level of stupid, when we are three and a half years into his term.
 
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carlos86 said:
It will be 4-5 years before the economy fully recovers. Biden’s plan looks to be a modern New Deal but without the BS of AOC Green New Deal. The green New Deal was projected to cost $93 trillion over a decade. Biden’s plan costs $2 trillion. Unlike AON and her gang it looks like Biden’s team did the cost benefit analysis. His plan invests in infrastructure, the auto motive industry, agriculture, housing, and innovation. I would have added rural high speed internet and water investment.
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And all of it is just plain old horse sh!t.
 
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carlos86 said:
BS. It is the job of the Federal Government of the Chief Executive to take the necessary steps to help the states even if they say they don’t need it. If Trump and Jared Kushner can send PPE to China and Russia they should been prepared to send it to Arizona and other states. Trump can delegate the tasks but he can not delegate the responsibility.
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And the states told him to mind his own business so he did. He had stuff to give to china and russia because the states said no.

Remember the Dems in the north east or western US jumped on the anti Covid train because was on the Covid train first.

Trump sent a hospital boat to NYC during their breakout and they basically didn't use it.

Something something horse to water something something.
 
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carlos86 said:
It will be 4-5 years before the economy fully recovers. Biden’s plan looks to be a modern New Deal but without the BS of AOC Green New Deal. The green New Deal was projected to cost $93 trillion over a decade. Biden’s plan costs $2 trillion. Unlike AON and her gang it looks like Biden’s team did the cost benefit analysis. His plan invests in infrastructure, the auto motive industry, agriculture, housing, and innovation. I would have added rural high speed internet and water investment.
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I bet all of that sht is shovel ready too
 
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Really found a re-election issue, I see.

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