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The amount of money is relative, right? I mean $2m isn't a lot to most P-5 schools but to some G-5 and especially FCS schools it may could be 50% or more of their entire athletic budget.

Anyway, people are discussing this and lawyers are on deck.

Big Ten football: MAC schools, others lose millions in guarantee games

Anchor Drop: Lawsuits Are Coming

Lawsuits Are Coming: Oh, you think you can just get out of a guarantee game like that?

I think getting rid of OOC football games is very much in line with the thinking in basketball to start on January 1 with just conference games. I heard a segment on local radio about it, and here is the thinking: a majority of the pre-conference schedule is "buy" games. Big schools need home games, and they need to sell a season ticket package. They pay small schools to sell that package. Now that fans are probably out, what's the point in paying schools for those games right now? That's on top of these small schools having different policies in place for testing, travel, arrangements, etc. Why risk your 5 star player testing positive after playing a G5 team when you can't control what that team does?

If you just play conference games, all of the teams are under the same policies, travel guidelines, arrangements, etc. As far as the money for these contracts, I fully expected the P5 schools to reach out and offer some monetary settlement. It won't be the full amount because the P5 can't play the game, but they can certainly pay something if they are going to proceed with a conference schedule. Maybe this is all semantics. It IS all about money, but the health risks are inherent in keeping kids healthy to play the games and make the money.
 
The amount of money is relative, right? I mean $2m isn't a lot to most P-5 schools but to some G-5 and especially FCS schools it may could be 50% or more of their entire athletic budget.

Anyway, people are discussing this and lawyers are on deck.

Big Ten football: MAC schools, others lose millions in guarantee games

Anchor Drop: Lawsuits Are Coming

Lawsuits Are Coming: Oh, you think you can just get out of a guarantee game like that?
All those contracts have language written that protects teams when games are canceled for issues like this. This is beyond their control and I doubt anyone has to pay if these games are cancelled.
 
My biggest concern to a season right now is hearing schools have 5-day testing turnaround. That is hardly going to work it would seem.

Imagine you play Saturday...okay test everyone Sunday for the following game. You get the results Friday, with 24 hours to spare. Imagine you get 5 positives...well those 5 were just on Sunday and they've been out practicing all week or a few days. How many did they pass it onto during the week? Nobody can know. Now you are asking the other team to play against a large unknown...don't see it happening.

Either have to get much faster testing or look at a 6-7 game schedule, with a game once every 2 weeks.
 
Ahhhh... but which numbers? Are all the numbers even being counted the same way? ...the same way as two months ago? This is where the ethics of journalism, science, the economy, and politics hits the fan.

We know some states like Texas have officially changed the way patients are counted. If you finally go in to get that elective surgery you've been putting off, you will be tested before admittance. If you are asymptomatic but test positive that you have or have had the coronavirus... you get counted as a COVID-19 hospitalization. You aren't sick, you aren't contagious, you aren't in the hospital for any coronavirus-related reason --- but in some states, some systems, you are now an official number.

Who else is counting that way? Is Tennessee? Is Hamilton County? Is the Erlanger Hospital system? How do we know?

Consider how ambiguous the opening sentence from a local news provider is: "The number of coronavirus patients in Chattanooga hospitals has risen to the highest level yet - 71. That includes 37 from Hamilton County."

Citing "the number of coronavirus patients in 'nooga hospitals" is not necessarily the same as the number of patients admitted to 'nooga hospitals because of coronavirus, or admitted with coronavirus symptoms, or even as capable of transmitting the coronavirus. Technical differences for sure, but differences which would paint radically different pictures of where we are and what we should be doing.

Based on the numbers, is Chattanooga a COVID hotspot?

That "number of coronovirus patients in 'nooga hospitals" sounds like yes. But then it says 37 are from Hamilton County. Does that mean the other 34 are from inside Chattanooga city limits? Or are they from outlying counties? Chattanooga hospitals serve counties from Tennessee, Georgia and Alabama. Are those 34 patients "with" coronavirus from different states? If so, are they showing up as numbers in both states simultaneously?
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As I said, this is where the ethics of journalism, science, the economy, and politics hits the fan. Facts can be compiled and communicated without the taint of agendas--but truth has to be your only agenda. It can be left for we citizens to interpret and decide.

Whatever we individually believe, and whether your top concern is having a college football season (no insignificant matter for the economy, as well as the fabric of our society), opening the grade schools, or protecting your own life if you have predisposing conditions... we are going to have to demand clear answers to questions if we are going to maintain our liberty to make our own life decisions. And have a football season.
Where do you see any publications saying that they count people in the hospital who have antibodies as covid hospitalizations? I also have heard that anybody with antibodies is counted as a case and they add it to the daily case totals inflating the numbers. I'd like to see some facts on those points. Hard to find them.
 
Gotta be on the lookout for that "big ole bag of money". Too many Texas colleges out there needing a great QB.
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Where do you see any publications saying that they count people in the hospital who have antibodies as covid hospitalizations? I also have heard that anybody with antibodies is counted as a case and they add it to the daily case totals inflating the numbers. I'd like to see some facts on those points. Hard to find them.

They're never gonna release this data. Knowledge is power.
 
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They're never gonna release this data. Knowledge is power.

It also probably depends on each county/state. The Shelby County Health Department has been very transparent. They explain why numbers may be high (had a backlog one day; jail population one day) and why they are making certain decisions. Initially with spikes, they just wanted to manage it, and then the spikes/hospitalizations got worse. I know others are being questioned, but I am pretty satisfied with how they are handling it.
 
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You guys want me to tell you why testing doesn’t mean chit either way?

You can have COVID-19 and not develop any symptoms for around 2-14 days. In that same timeframe you can also test negative while actually shedding the virus the entire time.

So, say players get tested before game day and pop negative. Guess what...... they could actually have COVID-19 and actually be shedding it.....

So testing will make things safer but it is not an end all be all. If athletes aren’t held to a strict standard of basically having no life outside of their sport there are going to be tons of players who get Covid-19. Also, you then lose that player plus anyone they came in contact with for 14 days. So.....

Yeah.
 
Honest Q. Is it because It spread quickly through the population? Why in America did we insulate ourselves and then it spread anyway? If true, why did it not spread a second time there once out of lockdown? Did we delay the inevitable? Or are we just better at testing. I think America is completely different than anywhere else on planet earth for a myriad of reasons. I have no idea. I feel like we fooled ourselves thinking we could contain the spread.

Covid doesn’t even a fraction of the positive cases that Swine Flu did (obviously that wasn’t as deadly). It must have just spread like wildfire and fizzled out.

The biggest issue with Covid is it is highly transferable. So if you are within 6ft of an individual for approximately 15 minutes (doesn’t have to be continuous 15 mins) who is not wearing a mask that has Covid 19 you are almost certainly going to get it.
 
EA gave Jauan the same speed rating (83) as Burrow. Lmao
I'll be honest...seeing Burrow scramble and JJ running the wildcat...this seems about right. Jauan was a beast for many reasons, but outrunning folks wasn't one of them. Burrow's speed and/or escapability was pretty good for a QB too.
 
You guys want me to tell you why testing doesn’t mean chit either way?

You can have COVID-19 and not develop any symptoms for around 2-14 days. In that same timeframe you can also test negative while actually shedding the virus the entire time.

So, say players get tested before game day and pop negative. Guess what...... they could actually have COVID-19 and actually be shedding it.....

So testing will make things safer but it is not an end all be all. If athletes aren’t held to a strict standard of basically having no life outside of their sport there are going to be tons of players who get Covid-19. Also, you then lose that player plus anyone they came in contact with for 14 days. So.....

Yeah.
If that is true (testing negative, when actually infected, up to 14 days)...then bubbling is the only way? I have heard ADs don't see bubbling amateur athletes as an option. Ergo, no sports until a vaccine/herd immunity if our tests are that useless.
 
I'll be honest...seeing Burrow scramble and JJ running the wildcat...this seems about right. Jauan was a beast for many reasons, but outrunning folks wasn't one of them. Burrow's speed and/or escapability was pretty good for a QB too.
Agreed. JJ has never been a burner, he reminds me a lot of Anquan Boldin. Big, strong, physical receiver with good hands.
 
If that is true (testing negative, when actually infected, up to 14 days)...then bubbling is the only way? I have heard ADs don't see bubbling amateur athletes as an option. Ergo, no sports until a vaccine/herd immunity if our tests are that useless.

They are saying the antibodies do not stay in your system long enough for Herd Immunity. Also, if that’s true I don’t understand how a vaccine would work considering it does the same thing as herd immunity. Just without you actually having to come in contact with the virus.

If the NFL gets that coronavirus helmet up and running I think you will see college football shift to that helmet.
 
Honestly, 01 UT right up there with the 90s teams for sure. I think UT and UF were the only 2 teams that could of given Miami a legit game that year.

Gator fans would def. agree with you on that count as would a lot of other SEC fans that followed teams conference-wide that year. It's a dang shame how it turned out because there's no doubt in my mind that we (or UF) could've beaten Miami and that Miami team was damn good. But TBH, the way that game happened tacked on to the end of the year because of 9/11 it felt like a post-season win and we couldn't shake the high of beating a hated rival in an unexpected way fast enough. We thought that was it and were expecting to move on to the BCS matchup with Miami. I can't blame them given the circumstances but I don't think our players gave one thought to LSU and LSU made them pay. If ever there was a textbook example of what can happen to a good, possibly great, team if they lose focus/overlook an opponent that SEC title game is it. Ironically, we were the Miami of old and LSU was the Sugarvols -- LSU had no business winning that game and if it were played 100 times we'd likely have won 99 of them but they were focused and brought it and we didn't.
 
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They are saying the antibodies do not stay in your system long enough for Herd Immunity. Also, if that’s true I don’t understand how a vaccine would work considering it does the same thing as herd immunity. Just without you actually having to come in contact with the virus.

If the NFL gets that coronavirus helmet up and running I think you will see college football shift to that helmet.
If antibodies don't last very long then there is no point to a vaccine
 
I dont see any other highly ranked prospects being mentioned with UNC outside TID or Page and neither are picking UNC. Their class is going to tank with Grimes being moved to 2020.
 
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