Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[HankHill]

Naaaw, I'm not sure that's the right interpretation. That's just beating up on the kid for the sake of beating up on him. The reason his number is high is he threw longer passes than the other QBs, on average. I think that's most probably scheme. Now if you wanted to say in throwing those longer passes he often couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, then I think that might be a somewhat accurate critique. jmo.

These are numbers from secstatcat:

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i haven’t charted anything in a while but man that Air yards number is super surprising from Tua. That offense was constantly wanting the home run.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

My father in law is also in ICU due to several ongoing chronic issues, and he has taken a turn for the worse today...it looks like this may be the end if God doesn't move. He has been suffering for a long time.

I know I am salty and a lot of you don't like me, but if you could set that aside for a moment to pray I would appreciate it...we can get back to arguing and griping later..


This year absolutely sucks.

I can be counted in the group that likes you. Prayers for you all.

 

[butchna]

Why place that kind of expectation on someone who hasn't played or practiced in over a year, and has never shown the ability to be a starter?

Because it has no effect on him?

 

[ChattaTNVol]

i haven’t charted anything in a while but man that Air yards number is super surprising from Tua. That offense was constantly wanting the home run.

I think a bigger difference between us and LSU and Alabama last year with regards to the passing game was that they each had 3 receivers and we had 1. jmo.

Sorted on YAC:



https://secstatcat.com/sec/catcher-stats

 

[engineerVOL]

I have a lifelong friend in his late 40s who is in ICU with Covid-19...he has some chronic health issues so this may not go well. Prayers would be appreciated for him and his family.

oh man. praying,

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Naaaw, I'm not sure that's the right interpretation. That's just beating up on the kid for the sake of beating up on him. The reason his number is high is he threw longer passes than the other QBs, on average. I think that's most probably scheme. Now if you wanted to say in throwing those longer passes he often couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, then I think that might be a somewhat accurate critique. jmo.

These are numbers from secstatcat:

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Secstatcat

Are we supposed to ignore the fact that he had way more time to throw then all of those QBs and threw a way higher percentage of uncatchable balls.....

 

[avolation]

Are we supposed to ignore the fact that he had way more time to throw then all of those QBs and threw a way higher percentage of uncatchable balls.....

Other interpretations are that he may hold the ball longer than other qb’s, or the longer throws took more time to let the route develop.

 

[TitanicVolz]

It’s krazy how Ed O has one good year with Burrow and now all the sudden he’s sum head coaching guru...dude was an interm coach who basically fell into the job and then had a qb put up a historic season.I mean I get the hype but it’s a joke to think he’s in the same tier as Saban,Dabo,Fisher!

 

[butchna]

It’s krazy how Ed O has one good year with Burrow and now all the sudden he’s sum head coaching guru...dude was an interm coach who basically fell into the job and then had a qb put up a historic season.I mean I get the hype but it’s a joke to think he’s in the same tier as Saban,Dabo,Fisher!

Always had the elite recruiter status. Those other names hired better assistants. If Brady wasn’t a one time event, that’s an annual Cookie Monster.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

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[vol72]

It’s krazy how Ed O has one good year with Burrow and now all the sudden he’s sum head coaching guru...dude was an interm coach who basically fell into the job and then had a qb put up a historic season.I mean I get the hype but it’s a joke to think he’s in the same tier as Saban,Dabo,Fisher!

I don't know. You are what you have accomplished, and Ed's team won it all in dominant fashion. He did what he had to do: recruiting Burrow and his teammates, hiring his assistant coaches, and coaching up his talent.

Jeremy Pruitt has had great success as an assistant coach, and is on his way to showing his mettle as the head man. He will succeed at Tennessee; patience Grasshopper.

 

[engineerVOL]

 

[AllVol11717]

i haven’t charted anything in a while but man that Air yards number is super surprising from Tua. That offense was constantly wanting the home run.

His numbers are probably skewed a bit. Their WRs constantly took quick slants and screens and then just hit an opening in the defensive backfield at full speed. Nothing to do with Tua really, just reflective of the ridiculous amount of talent they had at WR.

 

[drvenner]

My father in law is also in ICU due to several ongoing chronic issues, and he has taken a turn for the worse today...it looks like this may be the end if God doesn't move. He has been suffering for a long time.

I know I am salty and a lot of you don't like me, but if you could set that aside for a moment to pray I would appreciate it...we can get back to arguing and griping later..


This year absolutely sucks.

We're all in this together, Brother. Prayers for your FIL and your friend.

 

[Devo182]

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Not taking up for him or anything of that nature, but I’ll leave this little conversation piece here...and grenade drop into the thread 3..2..1
Very interesting considering he still looked like trash at times.

Makes sense, he also had one of the highest average depth of targets (ADOT) in the league. The guys with very low ADOTs (Riley Neal, Hilinski, Mac Jones) also had lower % of passing yards before the catch. A lot to do with scheme or choices to dump down or throw deeper.

The main pass garnering all the YAC these days are rpo slants and that isn't what we were running. Fwiw, Maurer had very very similar %passing yards before the catch and ADOT as JG.

It's mostly scheme...but having Bama receivers sure helps. Tua and Jones could consistently throw 8 yard passes and be credited for 70 yard TDs.

 

[Devo182]

Naaaw, I'm not sure that's the right interpretation. That's just beating up on the kid for the sake of beating up on him. The reason his number is high is he threw longer passes than the other QBs, on average. I think that's most probably scheme. Now if you wanted to say in throwing those longer passes he often couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, then I think that might be a somewhat accurate critique. jmo.

These are numbers from secstatcat:

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Well there it is...chatta'd again

The miserables will always find a way to punish their own QB. Been doing it for as long as I've been paying attention.

 

[Devo182]

That time to throw number is interesting

I forget the number, but I saw analysis saying there's an optimal range. He is outside of it iirc. An unusually high number is more holding on too long than just good pass pro. But again, scheme is a part too. Big difference between long passes and really quick passing scheme like Hilinski ran.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

I think a bigger difference between us and LSU and Alabama last year with regards to the passing game was that they each had 3 receivers and we had 1. jmo.

Sorted on YAC:

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https://secstatcat.com/sec/catcher-stats

I thought JG was the difference. Calloway showed with the throw from Strout in the SC game that he could take it to the house if the QB could hit him in stride. I suspect Palmer could as well. That little hitch JG has in his motion on deep throws pretty much ensured he was always going to be late with his throws and made it difficult for the WRs to get YAC. JJ is on that list because of his sheer ability to muscle his way through smaller DBs.; not be

 

[Devo182]

That goes against chaneys core concepts in his offense. Bulk majority of the route concepts in his offense are vertical, digs, or double moves. He likes to use these routes to push coverage downfield and then secondary option (Slot or TE) will drag underneath.

Our OL was Insanely underrated In pass protection. They are tasked with a tough job and allowed a lot of slow developing plays to happen.

Do you not think some had to do with who was at center though? Maybe his scheme will shift with, say, Bailey in the future?

JG had the lowest RPO% in the league at 7.4%
Maurer was 2nd highest at 20%

 

[T Dog]

Crouch, HT, Banks, Peterson will be the starting linebackers, imo

Replace Peterson with Roman Harrison and that is one hell of a LB squad.

 

[T Dog]

Good picks...I could see Kivon in one of those starting spots. Lots of improvement last year.

Man I forgot about Bennett. Was said from a few players last year on some interviews that he had the Most moves to get to the QB.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I'm sorry SaS, but I couldn't get past this without laughing lol

Was I wrong in assuming guys on here knew that is for daughter-in-law? Yeah, probably.

 

[Devo182]

Are we supposed to ignore the fact that he had way more time to throw then all of those QBs and threw a way higher percentage of uncatchable balls.....

Well...consider the competition. Obviously no one is saying he is in that tier of QBs...but he is also throwing further than them...so that too.

Outside of:
Burrow (waay ahead of everyone else)
Tua
Fromm
Trask

All other starters had 16.4%+ uncatchable rates. JG was 19.5%. He was dead middle of starters, though throwing further than almost all of them. Meh

 

[T Dog]

I thought all dogs should get chipped?

 

[Newman]