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SweetasSoda said:
I was replying to your post that all doctors are conspiring, and that you knew people that have gotten it. As if people are saying it is not real, and all doctors are agreeing that masks are the answer. But as long as the media is making a bad thing worse then players are going to get nervous, and the liability will be too high. My question is how long can we stop being in contact with others without causing a major depression, and who all is going to be able to stay at home? If there is liability for having football players on the field huddled up, is there not liability for having assembly workers standing next to each other for 8 hours? They don't matter because they are not a luxury? Where does it stop?

Just asking. You don't have to answer.
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First, while college players do benefit from playing, they are not considered employees. Second, employees (as long as not independent contractors) benefit from workers compensation if injured on the job. I don’t handle those, and I’m not exactly sure how a positive COVID test would fall under that, but it appears to be an option. Third, employees can simply quit if they don’t like their environment. Sure, college players could do the same thing, but there are restrictions on how schools can replace them, and kids are going to ride through it trusting that the decision makers have their best interest in mind. On a side note, I have wondered what kind of advice Trey Smith is getting about playing.

Additionally, I would almost bet that all companies are doing some social distancing regardless of the industry. Or, they are using some more protective gear. Football requires communication by many parties using close contact, and you can’t quite wear a suit to play.

The world can operate at a good clip with social distancing. But it takes effort, selflessness, and cooperation. Heck, the NASDAQ has shattered its all time high. The economy is not bad at all. At the end of the day though, there is also a moral prong to this. We need the money to fund athletics, but do we risk it knowing that people (players and fans) are going to test positive and get infected? That’s not for me to decide.
 
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Weezer said:
Any good on the d-line?
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I was QB on a middle school team that went 3-5 and 2-6, then was on the bench in HS until I realized the girls at my school liked stoner guys more than football players. But I was a beast at Ultimate frisbee and church league basketball. I’m going back to school and will check my eligibility
 
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VolGee4 said:
First, while college players do benefit from playing, they are not considered employees. Second, employees (as long as not independent contractors) benefit from workers compensation if injured on the job. I don’t handle those, and I’m not exactly sure how a positive COVID test would fall under that, but it appears to be an option. Third, employees can simply quit if they don’t like their environment. Sure, college players could do the same thing, but there are restrictions on how schools can replace them, and kids are going to ride through it trusting that the decision makers have their best interest in mind. On a side note, I have wondered what kind of advice Trey Smith is getting about playing.

Additionally, I would almost bet that all companies are doing some social distancing regardless of the industry. Or, they are using some more protective gear. Football requires communication by many parties using close contact, and you can’t quite wear a suit to play.

The world can operate at a good clip with social distancing. But it takes effort, selflessness, and cooperation. Heck, the NASDAQ has shattered its all time high. The economy is not bad at all. At the end of the day though, there is also a moral prong to this. We need the money to fund athletics, but do we risk it knowing that people (players and fans) are going to test positive and get infected? That’s not for me to decide.
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Yep, it's a big mess with no easy answers. My husband is a tool & die maker in a factory. There is no social distancing and few masks because that is highly uncomfortable on the line. He is able to keep some distance, but for some it's not practical. As a librarian I was told to wear a mask to protect those that come in and to ask them to but not enforce it. There are other rules, but they're for the protection of patrons. So your saying that employees will be able to file for worker's compensation for COVID? That would be hard to prove seems like.... From comments I saw on Twitter I don't think the players think their best interest are what is being considered but the millions in losses (without them being paid). When I saw those comments I thought there was no way they would play.
TY for having a conversation.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
It's disheartening to see Europe mostly getting back to normal while the US is doing...whatever it is we're doing. What a disaster.
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What are we doing? Averaging less than 300 deaths a day the last three days. I know a bunch of elderly people who have it and posting all the good food people are bringing to their door while in quarantine
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Quit driving...it saves lives..
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The sad thing is though I have not had a personal relationship with anyone who had died from Covid, we did learn of a friend who at 52 passed away from a car accident Friday night. Not a joke but true. Death stinks but will happen because it is appointed for man to die then after this the judgement if you are a Christian. And if not, you are still going to die.
 
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DeepPurpleFloyd said:
Stockholm Won't Reach Herd Immunity In May, Sweden's Chief Epidemiologist Says :

"The study's results have provided further fuel for the critics of the Swedish approach. With 39.57 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's mortality rate is not only higher than that of the U.S. (30.02 deaths per 100,000) but also exponentially higher than those of its neighbors Norway (4.42 per 100,000) and Finland (5.58 per 100,000), which both enacted strict lockdown measures, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. "

Earlier this month, Tegnell admitted he is not sure Sweden's strategy was the right call. "I'm not convinced at all — we are constantly thinking about this," he told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.
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Sweden's approach was always 'eff it, who cares if the old and vulnerable die -- another round of brännvin!' which was surprising given the very strong community oriented way of thinking that defines most Nordic nations, including Sweden when to comes to social policy and public health.

They have 7 times more deaths than their neighbors but what's more is that it looks like it hasn't helped their economy (I thought it would, tbh but the impact of covid is felt/experienced economically whether people go to work or not as we all make decisions to go out, to travel, shop etc. with it being a factor):

According to Worldometer, a statistical site, Finland, Denmark and Norway combined have had a total of 1,182 deaths as a result of COVID-19. Sweden? More than 5,300, which most attribute to Sweden's decision not to shut down the economy while the other three countries did. But it's worse than that. Adjusted for population, Swedes have died seven times more often from coronavirus than Finns, Danes and Norwegians. Question: was it worth it? You be the judge. Early on it looked like the decision not to shut down allowed Sweden's economy to keep chugging along. But now Sweden is headed for a 6 percent contraction in 2020. As Sam points out, citing Statista stats, that's in the ballpark with the economies of the three countries that went the lockdown route.

We'll still need to see how the final numbers shake out. But the early take: not shutting down has an impact on how many people die, but doesn't do much, in the end, for the economy.
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https://www.newsweek.com/why-swedens-controversial-covid-experiment-failing-opinion-1514486
 
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itsme said:
Tell someone that who lived through the Great Depression or WWII and you'll be laughed at. My granny would tell me about them just about starving to death when they were going on. My aunts and uncles used to go to the garbage dump with sticks and rocks to fight people over scraps of food just to have something to eat. You are posting on a message board from a hand held computer and can order a pizza from it any time. Relax, maybe we in these last few generations are just a bunch of wusses.
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Where on Earth did your family live? Most of the people that lived in the country and even many in cities had gardens (victory gardens were added even in places like inner cities) and had food enough to eat although the choices were sparse. Supplies, otoh, were far scarcer as so much went to the war effort. If they lived in Europe during the war that's another story but as bad as the war and Great Depression were here in the US, what you're describing would've been an incredibly rare experience. And just to clarify, I don't doubt your story and I agree with your overall point, I just find it shocking and am curious as to where conditions like that happened. Both sides of my family (three if you count my step-side) lived in rural areas and so never experienced anything like that. They had massive hardships but nothing like violence over food at the dump.
 
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UTProf said:
Sweden's approach was always 'eff it, who cares if the old and vulnerable die -- another round of brännvin!' which was surprising given the very strong community oriented way of thinking that defines most Nordic nations, including Sweden when to comes to social policy and public health.

They have 7 times more deaths than their neighbors but what's more is that it looks like it hasn't helped their economy (I thought it would, tbh but the impact of covid is felt/experienced economically whether people go to work or not as we all make decisions to go out, to travel, shop etc. with it being a factor):



https://www.newsweek.com/why-swedens-controversial-covid-experiment-failing-opinion-1514486
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They also have more a more densley populated country than their neighbors. The greater Stockholm area has about 2.3 million people. The closest is Coppengagen, but they are off by half a million at best. Where they messed up was not protecting the nursing homes well enough.

Otherwise, if you look at the numbers, its really not that bad considering they didn't lockdown like the rest of us.

This is from statista.

9 years and younger 1
10-19 years 0
20-29 years 8
30-39 years 17
40-49 years 44
50-59 years 154
60-69 years 375
70-79 years 1,174
80-90 years 2,252
90 years and older 1,395

Also, remember, they don't clear up whether all of these deaths are FROM or WITH the virus, or whether or not they had significant underlying health issues. Colorado was in the news a month or two ago for dropping their corona deaths by 25 percent. All had to do with taking off the deaths WITH corona. I remember the Birx lady saying that 25 percent of all the deaths in the US aren't actual covid deaths.

Its safe to assume that you can take off a healthy percentage of those deaths. Id argue that its likely much of those deaths WITH the virus are with the younger crowd! You could also argue the validity of the death total in regards to the older crowd. Especislly when it comes to those that are 80 to 90 plus. At that point are they really dying from this virus? Or is it because they are 93 years old and if you get sick you die? Hard to see a great many of those deaths coming from old people who aren't already immuno-comprimised. Well, nobody that old isn't immuno-comprimised really. Obviously the virus did cause more attrition than they would have liked. Its not all peaches and cream thats for sure.

Deaths have also been declining in Sweden. It was a while ago when they experienced their peak.

One of my best friends is a Swede in Stockholm and he feels like they have practically moved on from the Virus at this point. Said he saw only one person wearing a mask on saturday.

Now I feel like the Swedish model is the way to go if we can. Either that or a very very very strict lockdown. Otherwise you'll just drag it out and half ass it away and you'll frustrate everybody. Its already impossible to get everybody on the same page in America and we dropped the ball with the left-right propaganda machines turning everything poltical and freaking everybody out in a litany of ways. Then you had the WHO and the CDC with their inconsistent science and flawed data gathering.

We do have an uptick right now, the only saving grace is that the death rate is down a lot. Lowest since late March.

Starting to look like its just not that deadly. Mostly deadly to the elderly. Rarely deadly to younger people. It could evolve, so it is dangerous to spread it. At this point I doubt we stop the spread. I guess we have to embrace it and may our young people get that herd immunity going strong!
 
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