2020 Presidential Race

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BowlBrother85 said:
You are correct. The most capable leaders in this country (Founders/CEO's, Entrepreneurs/Business Innovators, Military leaders, Scientists/Engineers) have no interest in running for office, primarily because it would mean a huge decrease in income for them, but running for office also comes with public scrutiny into the private life of the candidates and most of them don't want to put themselves and their families through that... especially the ones who have young children or who have been through a divorce, which would include most of them. So, we are mostly left with career politicians, who got into politics not for public service, but as a means of self-enrichment and a career livelihood. Trump is an exception to this, but since he conducts himself in a manner very similar to career politicians, it hasn't made a difference.
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I agree with everything you said with the exception that Trump conducts himself like a career politician. He doesn't and that is why he is hated. He is also doing this pro bono and donating "all" of his salary. This is unheard of. No, he is not the personality we all have gotten used to but that doesn't mean you can't compartmentalize the good and the bad. We should all be a little tired of Washington while also recognizing we need someone who is used to dealing with the world stage. Wouldn't you want a coach that stands up for UT or one that is SEC or even Big Ten first. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this. If you have a liberal ideology and is voting Democrat every election regardless of the person then nevermind.

I will say if I'm Trump, then I say to hell with this job and I never run in 2016 especially in my 70's. I just think he is doing it for a greater cause. I can see a career politician like Bernie and Joe doing it because this is something they've dreamed about even as multi-failures. They are part of the swamp and has gotten Supreme Court treatment along with other multi-decade legislators.
 
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tvolsfan said:
She was the standard “I’m a career politician who pretends to care about you” awful. Not “the people who worked for me are calling me unfit for office and practically begging the country not to re-elect me” awful.
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People who worked for her had a way of ending up dead. I'm not saying she killed them, but I wouldn't have wanted to work for her.

Personally, I thought she was unfit for office, and practically begged people not to elect her to begin with.

Seriously, I agree Trump is horrible, but the left has continually defended Hillary and ignored she was at least on the same level as Trump. She was a horrible choice. Yet even now liberals feels as if they must defend her. I don't get it.
 
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Weezer said:
People who worked for her had a way of ending up dead. I'm not saying she killed them, but I wouldn't have wanted to work for her.

Personally, I thought she was unfit for office, and practically begged people not to elect her to begin with.

Seriously, I agree Trump is horrible, but the left has continually defended Hillary and ignored she was at least on the same level as Trump. She was a horrible choice. Yet even now liberals feels as if they must defend her. I don't get it.
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The first paragraph is borderline conspiratorial. The second is a false equivalency. Finally, I myself said she was awful, so I certainly wasn’t defending her. You’re going to have to try harder to pretend you’re a moderate.
 
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Joe Biden came out of the basement yesterday for a small gathering in what resembled a high school debate hall. He ended his speech with all the energy of an inebriated sloth, mask hanging from his ears as if he didn’t realize it could simply be removed while he spoke.

What was most notable though wasn’t Biden barely being able to deliver remarks without falling asleep at the podium. Rather, it was that the media didn’t ask him a single question. The same national media outlets that have made a sport of snarkily yelling questions as Trump departs were silent. It’s almost as if there are two standards?

Instead, it took The Daily Caller to ask Biden what he should have been asked a week ago. Namely, does he support or condemn those currently ripping down monuments, from Catholic missionaries to General Grant?

His answer? No comment.



Biden is scared to death of this issue and it shows. Right now, he’s threading a needle of remaining in hiding while stepping out only for the occasional, little covered stump speech. The worst thing that can happen to his campaign is for him to have to take some stands on these issues of chaos.


Joe Biden Was Asked About the Destruction of Monuments, Here's His Answer
 
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tvolsfan said:
The first paragraph is borderline conspiratorial. And I said she was awful, so I certainly wasn’t defending her. You’re going to have to try harder to pretend you’re a moderate.
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lmao

I don't classify myself as moderate/liberal/conservative/Republican/Democrat/yada yada. I'm non-partisan. Both sides have screwed this country up. But I have never hid my particular disdain for Hillary Clinton. The woman is corrupt to the core. How she could call anyone else deplorable is laughable. She could give Satan a run for his money.
 
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Weezer said:
lmao

I don't classify myself as moderate/liberal/conservative/Republican/Democrat/yada yada. I'm non-partisan. Both sides have screwed this country up. But I have never hid my particular disdain for Hillary Clinton. The woman is corrupt to the core. How she could call anyone else deplorable is laughable. She could give Satan a run for his money.
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Dude, Satan couldn't even outplay some hillbilly fiddler in Georgia. I think his power is grossly exaggerated.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I agree with everything you said with the exception that Trump conducts himself like a career politician. He doesn't and that is why he is hated. He is also doing this pro bono and donating "all" of his salary. This is unheard of. No, he is not the personality we all have gotten used to but that doesn't mean you can't compartmentalize the good and the bad. We should all be a little tired of Washington while also recognizing we need someone who is used to dealing with the world stage. Wouldn't you want a coach that stands up for UT or one that is SEC or even Big Ten first. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this. If you have a liberal ideology and is voting Democrat every election regardless of the person then nevermind.

I will say if I'm Trump, then I say to hell with this job and I never run in 2016 especially in my 70's. I just think he is doing it for a greater cause. I can see a career politician like Bernie and Joe doing it because this is something they've dreamed about even as multi-failures. They are part of the swamp and has gotten Supreme Court treatment along with other multi-decade legislators.
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We wasn't doing for a greater cause. There is only one cause in Trump's world......self promotion and enrichment.
Trump had no desire to win or expectation of winning. It was intended to lay the groundwork for Trump Network.....a right wing network that he and Roger Ailes were planning to form.
He didn't want to be president, he wanted to be Rupert Murdoch.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Joe Biden came out of the basement yesterday for a small gathering in what resembled a high school debate hall. He ended his speech with all the energy of an inebriated sloth, mask hanging from his ears as if he didn’t realize it could simply be removed while he spoke.

What was most notable though wasn’t Biden barely being able to deliver remarks without falling asleep at the podium. Rather, it was that the media didn’t ask him a single question. The same national media outlets that have made a sport of snarkily yelling questions as Trump departs were silent. It’s almost as if there are two standards?

Instead, it took The Daily Caller to ask Biden what he should have been asked a week ago. Namely, does he support or condemn those currently ripping down monuments, from Catholic missionaries to General Grant?

His answer? No comment.



Biden is scared to death of this issue and it shows. Right now, he’s threading a needle of remaining in hiding while stepping out only for the occasional, little covered stump speech. The worst thing that can happen to his campaign is for him to have to take some stands on these issues of chaos.


Joe Biden Was Asked About the Destruction of Monuments, Here's His Answer
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Most unquestioned and unvetted major party Presidential nominee that I know of. Other than a few policy proposals, nobody has a freaking clue of his platform.
 
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Weezer said:
So was Hillary.
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Still not approaching Trump's position on the horrendously despicable continuum; even after 25 years of being butchered by the right wing propaganda machine.

Think about the media's impact on over the past 4 years on how people view Trump, now multiply that by 7.
 
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Weezer said:
I think you underestimate the fiddling prowess of Johnny.
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maybe there were fire ants on that hickory stump and it messed with Lucifer's play. I mean, the fact that a band of demons joined in should've given him the edge in the contest.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Joe Biden came out of the basement yesterday for a small gathering in what resembled a high school debate hall. He ended his speech with all the energy of an inebriated sloth, mask hanging from his ears as if he didn’t realize it could simply be removed while he spoke.

What was most notable though wasn’t Biden barely being able to deliver remarks without falling asleep at the podium. Rather, it was that the media didn’t ask him a single question. The same national media outlets that have made a sport of snarkily yelling questions as Trump departs were silent. It’s almost as if there are two standards?

Instead, it took The Daily Caller to ask Biden what he should have been asked a week ago. Namely, does he support or condemn those currently ripping down monuments, from Catholic missionaries to General Grant?

His answer? No comment.



Biden is scared to death of this issue and it shows. Right now, he’s threading a needle of remaining in hiding while stepping out only for the occasional, little covered stump speech. The worst thing that can happen to his campaign is for him to have to take some stands on these issues of chaos.


Joe Biden Was Asked About the Destruction of Monuments, Here's His Answer
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he should have responded,
"Fake news, what a horrible question, you're a horrible person and reporter, you're nothing but a never-Bidener."
 
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BreatheUT said:
I agree with everything you said with the exception that Trump conducts himself like a career politician. He doesn't and that is why he is hated. He is also doing this pro bono and donating "all" of his salary. This is unheard of. No, he is not the personality we all have gotten used to but that doesn't mean you can't compartmentalize the good and the bad. We should all be a little tired of Washington while also recognizing we need someone who is used to dealing with the world stage. Wouldn't you want a coach that stands up for UT or one that is SEC or even Big Ten first. Maybe I'm oversimplifying this. If you have a liberal ideology and is voting Democrat every election regardless of the person then nevermind.

I will say if I'm Trump, then I say to hell with this job and I never run in 2016 especially in my 70's. I just think he is doing it for a greater cause. I can see a career politician like Bernie and Joe doing it because this is something they've dreamed about even as multi-failures. They are part of the swamp and has gotten Supreme Court treatment along with other multi-decade legislators.
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He is hated, for many reasons, including his unprofessional decorum and conduct... primarily on Twitter, but not just Twitter. Trump has absolutely conducted himself as a self-enriching politician. He is constantly promoting the Trump brand and steering taxpayer-funded business to his properties. He even tried to have the G 7 Summit at Doral. I don't have the stats for the number of days that Trump has spent on Trump-owned properties while in office, but I can find it, and it's staggering. The Trump Administration has been rife with conflicts of interest, corrupt cabinet members such as Scott Pruitt and Ryan Zinke, and self-serving scandals. Trump is very much like a career politician.
 
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Weezer said:
lmao

I don't classify myself as moderate/liberal/conservative/Republican/Democrat/yada yada. I'm non-partisan. Both sides have screwed this country up. But I have never hid my particular disdain for Hillary Clinton. The woman is corrupt to the core. How she could call anyone else deplorable is laughable. She could give Satan a run for his money.
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Lol
 
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Orangeburst said:
Most unquestioned and unvetted major party Presidential nominee that I know of. Other than a few policy proposals, nobody has a freaking clue of his platform.
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"Unvetted"? The man was Vice President for 8 years. He has been vetted. Sarah Palin in 2008 is an example of not being properly vetted. And we are still very early in the campaign. We are 8 weeks away from the Democratic National Convention.
 
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luthervol said:
Still not approaching Trump's position on the horrendously despicable continuum; even after 25 years of being butchered by the right wing propaganda machine.

Think about the media's impact on over the past 4 years on how people view Trump, now multiply that by 7.
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She's at least as bad as Trump. Your continuum is broken.
 
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luthervol said:
he should have responded,
"Fake news, what a horrible question, you're a horrible person and reporter, you're nothing but a never-Bidener."
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The thing is, if Biden acted the same way as Trump, you'd defend and justify it after 4 years of bitching about it.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Lol
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I believe both sides should be held to the same standards, whereas you seem to believe it's okay for the left to engage in behavior you find unacceptable from the right. Several posters like that on here. Several others that hold the same belief in reverse. My belief on that isn't swayed by politics.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
"Unvetted"? The man was Vice President for 8 years. He has been vetted. Sarah Palin in 2008 is an example of not being properly vetted. And we are still very early in the campaign. We are 8 weeks away from the Democratic National Convention.
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Remember when all the previous vetting of Kavanaugh wasn't good enough when he was nominated to the SCOTUS? This is exactly what I was saying to @tvolsfan . You seem to apply two different sets of standards based on political beliefs.
 
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