2020 Presidential Race

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luthervol said:
It's certainly used by both sides, but Trumpers have turned it into an artform.
Fear mongering makes up 12% of the Dem. strategy.
Fear mongering makes up 87% of the Trump strategy.
Pretty accurate estimations on my part.
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Uh they wanna put you back in chains aloms makes up for 12% of the entire population.

Your dem number is closer to 100 percent.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
“Republicans want:
-to keep women in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant
-to force women to die in back room abortions
-want to kick old people out on the street and make them eat dog food
-want to stone gays
-want to put black people in chains, keep them from working, Lynch them
-want poor kids to starve at school
-want to make money and make more homeless people die

These are things I’ve heard from actual Dem politicians the past 30 years
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@luthervol you didn’t respond to this. Are these statements fear-mongering in your opinion? Because they’ve been the corner stone of Dem politics for 3 decades
 
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How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man

Trump's Niece Sued

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The Trump administration recently took legal action in an attempt to block the tell-all book of John Bolton, the former national security advisor.
But a federal judge denied the Department of Justice's motion, writing in his decision that Bolton's book had already been widely distributed and that the court would "not order a nationwide seizure and destruction of a political memoir."
Harder, the attorney representing Robert Trump, has a history of filing lawsuits against news organizations on behalf of President Trump. The lawsuits have been dismissed by legal experts as public relations stunts with little chance of success in court."

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Seems like pretty much anybody who comes into contact with good ol' Donald gotta sign a non-disclosure agreement. Pathetic.

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VolnJC said:
You posted a lot of polls in 2016, how did that work out for you?
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2020 isn’t 2016. Different candidate and different electoral environment. The “he’s a socialist” or “he’s part of the radical left doesn’t work against Biden because those have never been his political positions.
 
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carlos86 said:
2020 isn’t 2016. Different candidate and different electoral environment. The “he’s a socialist” or “he’s part of the radical left doesn’t work against Biden because those have never been his political positions.
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I'm not so sure...Biden doesn't excite anyone...the Bernie folks hate him...I still think Trump loses pretty big but I never trust polls anymore and I'm one of the few who said Trump would win in 2016
 
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carlos86 said:
Well the new round of polling is coming out

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This will tighten a lot before election day. Trump doesn't have it together, but the attack Super PACs will come in carpet bombing Joe and his VP pick.

I also won't believe 18-34 year olds show up at that rate until it happens.

This poll playing out on election day would be the biggest Democratic Party victory since 1964.
 
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VolnJC said:
I'm not so sure...Biden doesn't excite anyone...the Bernie folks hate him...I still think Trump loses pretty big but I never trust polls anymore and I'm one of the few who said Trump would win in 2016
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The difference between 2016 and 2020 is consistency and game plan. 2016 was always a 3-5 point race. 2020 is a 10-7 point race. Bidens's lead is the most consistent since FDR in 1944. And Trump hasn't found a way to demonize Biden like he did Clinton. The last general election came down to who was hated more, and how much Trump could shift focus to his opponent. Well, this election Trump is the most hated and all the focus in on him due to his handling of COVID-19 and race relations and his attacks just don’t land the way they did against Hillary Clinton.


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VolnJC said:
I'm not so sure...Biden doesn't excite anyone...the Bernie folks hate him...I still think Trump loses pretty big but I never trust polls anymore and I'm one of the few who said Trump would win in 2016
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* The Bernie Sanders constituency has diminished from what it was in 2016. That is evidenced by how badly he lost Michigan to Biden, after winning Michigan easily in 2016. Even accepting your premise that Bernie Sanders supporters don't like Joe Biden (and there is no empirical evidence to support that), it doesn't appear to be a cause for concern. The vast majority of Bernie Sanders support is in California - a very safe state for Biden, to say the least.

There is sound logic and reasoning to believe that Donald Trump's support is being undercounted in polling data. This isn't the result of a left-wing bias either. No pollster wants to ever be proven wrong later. It's the fact that people who are lesser educated, not as well-read, and who live in rural areas, are less likely to have ever taken the time and effort to have completed a polling survey. They also tend to be more reluctant to cooperate with pollsters who contact them by phone. This significant segment of the American population also tends to overwhelmingly vote Republican in presidential elections. In turn, they went heavily for Trump in 2016. However, this segment of the population isn't substantial enough to overcome a double digit lead, which Biden is showing in most of the current polls.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
* The Bernie Sanders constituency has diminished from what it was in 2016. That is evidenced by how badly he lost Michigan to Biden, after winning Michigan easily in 2016. Even accepting your premise that Bernie Sanders supporters don't like Joe Biden (and there is no empirical evidence to support that), it doesn't appear to be a cause for concern. The vast majority of Bernie Sanders support is in California - a very safe state for Biden, to say the least.

There is sound logic and reasoning to believe that Donald Trump's support is being undercounted in polling data. This isn't the result of a left-wing bias either. No pollster wants to ever be proven wrong later. It's the fact that people who are lesser educated, not as well-read, and who live in rural areas, are less likely to have ever taken the time and effort to have completed a polling survey. They also tend to be more reluctant to cooperate with pollsters who contact them by phone. This significant segment of the American population also tends to overwhelmingly vote Republican in presidential elections. In turn, they went heavily for Trump in 2016. However, this segment of the population isn't substantial enough to overcome a double digit lead, which Biden is showing in most of the current polls.
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A lot of “Bernie voters” voted for Biden this year. Biden flip white males voters from Bernie by 20 points this year. The Bernie revolution was driven by hate for Clinton not by support for Sanders.
 
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carlos86 said:
A lot of “Bernie voters” voted for Biden this year. Biden flip white males voters from Bernie by 20 points this year. The Bernie revolution was driven by hate for Clinton not by support for Sanders.
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I'm just curious what would have happened if all the moderate Dems hadn't dropped out before ST...I honestly think Bernie would have been front runner...he would have picked up alot more delegates in Texas and California
 
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Weezer said:
I can't help but feel that no matter who wins, the nation loses.
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The only reason to be excited about the prospect of a Biden presidency, is that it kicks Trump out. I really think Biden would help his cause with independents (perhaps even enough to win it now), if he would commit to only being a one term president. He won't consider running for a 2nd term... if Biden says this now - I think he carries independents 2-1 in November, and we start over again with fresh candidates from both parties in 2024.
 
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