Will Trump choose to not run in 2020

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McDad said:
I have difficulty deciphering when yall are trolling or sincerely believe the stuff you post. There are things I don't like about his policies and things I do like. Also, there are things I don't like about him as a person and things that don't matter to me.
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I truly believe Trump is a horrendously despicable human.
Beyond that point, everything is in good fun......but that's such a significant point that everything else pales in comparison. IMO
 
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McDad said:
I didn't vote for him, either. Won't vote for him this go round.

There are many who are unhinged in their support and in their derision of the man.
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Honestly the way I view Trump is that he can be petty and narcissistic and pays attention to things that don’t matter like tweets and such

I do like his “outsider rhetoric” and view because he actually calls the media, liberal groups, DC politicians etc for their hypocrisy and they HATE him for it. I feel like there is appropriate middle ground for that kind of discussion where as most politicians would be too afraid to say what they actually think

He is correct on some issues and wrong on others but the media especially overplays their biased hands so much every single time and gets played by him a lot and most of the time they don’t even realize it.

His main problem is he doesn’t stay focused on things that matter and leaves too much of his executive decisions and plans in the hands of others under him
 
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McDad said:
It's ridiculous that a country which , at the time was 21T in debt (now it is 26T), would consider spending money we don't have on a physical barrier which would only slow people down (at best). Reform inside the country is cheaper and more effective but less politically expedient.
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The investment in a physical barrier is mice nuts relative to the federal budget and it reduces the recurring costs associated with enforcement. Efficient and effective at funneling illegal crossings to more easily managed choke points. Plus it should save many lives lost by those traversing expansive, mostly hostile territories.
 
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luthervol said:
I truly believe Trump is a horrendously despicable human.
Beyond that point, everything is in good fun......but that's such a significant point that everything else pales in comparison. IMO
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I think you may have made that point once a long time ago.

I thought BHO and Carter were really good men. Lousy presidents. I still think they are really good men. Bush Sr. and Reagan are good men. Moderately lousy presidents Little less for Bush Jr. Clinton, LBJ, JFK were not good men. Presidential legacy is mixed.

I care less about the quality of the man sitting in the WH and more about the results. 20 years ago, it was just the opposite.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The investment in a physical barrier is mice nuts relative to the federal budget and it reduces the recurring costs associated with enforcement. Efficient and effective at funneling illegal crossings to more easily managed choke points. Plus it should save many lives lost by those traversing expansive, mostly hostile territories.
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I have never in my life found a government idea which made things more efficient or effective. I am happy you find the wall to be the anomaly. I do not.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The investment in a physical barrier is mice nuts relative to the federal budget and it reduces the recurring costs associated with enforcement. Efficient and effective at funneling illegal crossings to more easily managed choke points. Plus it should save many lives lost by those traversing expansive, mostly hostile territories.
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Again, the master salesman did an abysmal sales job.
Trump was much less concerned with building the wall than with dividing people over the wall.
 
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McDad said:
2020 is a strange year. There's only one poster (who comes around infrequently) I can do without. I guess VolStrom is upset 72 dipped. But that was 72's decision. I don't have the power to run anyone off. I thought everyone liked my sanctimony.
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@1972 Grad bugged out?
 
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McDad said:
I think you may have made that point once a long time ago.

I thought BHO and Carter were really good men. Lousy presidents. I still think they are really good men. Bush Sr. and Reagan are good men. Moderately lousy presidents Little less for Bush Jr. Clinton, LBJ, JFK were not good men. Presidential legacy is mixed.

I care less about the quality of the man sitting in the WH and more about the results. 20 years ago, it was just the opposite.
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I think both are important and have to be weighed against one another.
Trump is the exception because he is so lacking in one, the other can never compensate.
 
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luthervol said:
Again, the master salesman did an abysmal sales job.
Trump was much less concerned with building the wall than with dividing people over the wall.
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Despite Trump’s motivations, he is 100% correct that illegal Immigration is a serious money drain and criminal issue for the US that needs a solution
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Despite Trump’s motivations, he is 100% correct that illegal Immigration is a serious money drain and criminal issue for the US that needs a solution
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C'mon... the solution is easy, but no one in Washington really wants to fix the issue.

Both sides use it as a wedge.
 
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luthervol said:
I think both are important and have to be weighed against one another.
Trump is the exception because he is so lacking in one, the other can never compensate.
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And that's where I lose the ability to judge trolling from an emotional, irrational post.

Trump is not a good man. He is not a good president on the whole. The most important issue to me isn't being helped by him. But it hasn't been helped significantly by any president. And that's what I care about. I don't care if a transgender, racist, pot head is president as long as the country improves for everyone.
 
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Mick said:
Never Trumpers as someone with the intelligence to not vote for him? Yes.
Always-Trumps as someone always defending his words and actions? I hope not. TGO couldn't take someone calling Trump a quitter.
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I don't agree with the never ending attacks that come from the lies that "fake news" outlets push. Stick with valid criticism instead of putting any trivial comment Trump utters into a fabricated context and I'll listen. He never went bankrupt, he doesn't spend all of his time golfing, he isn't throwing children into cages, and Russian hookers didn't piss on him.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don't agree with the never ending attacks that come from the lies that "fake news" outlets push. Stick with valid criticism instead of putting any trivial comment Trump utters into a fabricated context and I'll listen. He never went bankrupt, he doesn't spend all of his time golfing, he isn't throwing children into cages, and Russian hookers didn't piss on him.
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And those are his good qualities?
 
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McDad said:
And that's where I lose the ability to judge trolling from an emotional, irrational post.

Trump is not a good man. He is not a good president on the whole. The most important issue to me isn't being helped by him. But it hasn't been helped significantly by any president. And that's what I care about. I don't care if a transgender, racist, pot head is president as long as the country improves for everyone.
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All this agreeing with you...

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Septic said:
All this agreeing with you...

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I know. I'll do better tomorrow. We can tear each other down again.

It just sucks wanting something 97% of voters dgaf about. The JO/CO ticket is the only one even close to my political wants and they don't have a chance in hell.
 
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Septic said:
C'mon... the solution is easy, but no one in Washington really wants to fix the issue.

Both sides use it as a wedge.
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Honestly as with most issues, it needs to be comprehensive and non-partisan. (I know right)

The physical wall is not a bad idea, but absolutely having harsh penalties for those who employ illegals or use fake tax and Social security numbers for them. Help those that are non-criminals, non-mentally ill, etc and really do want to make a better life and assimilate into American society have a quicker legal option to do so. Absolutely require cities to cooperate with ICE to deport criminals

This would help the issue by 100% but we have to get the “ICE is racist, etc” rhetoric out as much as Trump’s rhetoric
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don't agree with the never ending attacks that come from the lies that "fake news" outlets push. Stick with valid criticism instead of putting any trivial comment Trump utters into a fabricated context and I'll listen. He never went bankrupt, he doesn't spend all of his time golfing, he isn't throwing children into cages, and Russian hookers didn't piss on him.
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And the media did similar things to Reagan, Bush and would’ve done it to Romney or any Republican President. This is one reason we got Trump to begin with. You can only hear Bush, McCain, Romney is racist, sexist, Nazi etc so many times that when you later have the same people saying no but Trump REALLY is we like those other guys now. It comes off as BS
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Honestly as with most issues, it needs to be comprehensive and non-partisan. (I know right)

The physical wall is not a bad idea, but absolutely having harsh penalties for those who employ illegals or use fake tax and Social security numbers for them. Help those that are non-criminals, non-mentally ill, etc and really do want to make a better life and assimilate into American society have a quicker legal option to do so. Absolutely require cities to cooperate with ICE to deport criminals

This would help the issue by 100% but we have to get the “ICE is racist, etc” rhetoric out as much as Trump’s rhetoric
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I've got a better solution than that. One which will pay for itself in the short and long term.
 
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McDad said:
And that's where I lose the ability to judge trolling from an emotional, irrational post.

Trump is not a good man. He is not a good president on the whole. The most important issue to me isn't being helped by him. But it hasn't been helped significantly by any president. And that's what I care about. I don't care if a transgender, racist, pot head is president as long as the country improves for everyone.
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Love this post. It should ALWAYS be about the greater good
 
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McDad said:
And that's where I lose the ability to judge trolling from an emotional, irrational post.

Trump is not a good man. He is not a good president on the whole. The most important issue to me isn't being helped by him. But it hasn't been helped significantly by any president. And that's what I care about. I don't care if a transgender, racist, pot head is president as long as the country improves for everyone.
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Two things:
1. Your list of choices was to limited. It's not trolling, emotional, or irrational.
2. It's impossible for a racist president to be elected and supported and the country improve for everyone.
 
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