Will Trump choose to not run in 2020

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McDad said:
I agree with all of that.

But there is a difference in calculating what his estimated tax would have been and what he actually paid. That's all I am trying to encourage you to do.
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Why do you care? My God you drill on stuff like a carpenter bee.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It's normal for billionaires to have had past, failed ventures. Especially in real estate if each major property is organized as a separate corporation.
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Maybe but not the manner in which Trump has conducted his business. Nothing's normal about Trump's business dealings as compared to other successful billionaires and to suggest such nonsense is remarkably uninformed
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Including dividends, 10,000 invested in S&P index fund in 1988 would be worth 227k today....
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If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Actually, I'm not sure how that works with today's liberal's definitions of gender.

BTW, $10k invested in a DJIA index around 20 years ago would be worth about $25k today. It would be kind of crazy to liquidate a 70 year old family real estate business that is having great success and convert the proceeds into marketable securities.
 
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Mick said:
This is the most succinct -- and brutal -- Republican rejection of Donald Trump that you will ever read - CNNPolitics
"Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
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Hit the nail on the head!
 
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VolStrom said:
Why do you care? My God you drill on stuff like a carpenter bee.
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I care because your wife pays me to care.

If you don't like the dialogue, you can ignore. Or, you can take your senile, grumpy arse to the kitchen for more Metamucil.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Maybe but not the manner in which Trump has conducted his business. Nothing's normal about Trump's business dealings as compared to other successful billionaires and to suggest such nonsense is remarkably uninformed
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Oh, look who's back with his MO of personal attacks of the poster that's hurt his feelings.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Actually, I'm not sure how that works with today's liberal's definitions of gender.

BTW, $10k invested in a DJIA index around 20 years ago would be worth about $25k today. It would be kind of crazy to liquidate a 70 year old family real estate business that is having great success and convert the proceeds into marketable securities.
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Except they did liquidate over $650MM of property...

Either way, we have a difference of opinion. Truth probably lies somewhere in the middle
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I know the differences. You act as though it's commonplace for a successful businessman to have had so many instances of bankruptcy and fraud. It's not just "business" So what he hasn't filed for personal bankruptcy? It doesn't make him any less of a fraud.

Lots of irony for you to be referring to others as low info. Your posts suggests just that most of the time
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You just can't help yourself with the personal attacks, can you? Bringing actual facts is something that you don't seem to be capable of with your posts.
 
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McDad said:
I care because your wife pays me to care.

If you don't like the dialogue, you can ignore. Or, you can take your senile, grumpy arse to the kitchen for more Metamucil.
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I'm pretty much done with your sanctimonious ass just as 72 was.
 
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37L1 said:
And? I bet you can find Democrats that don't care for Biden as the nominee. Should we ask some Bernie Bros? Isn't Tara Reade a Democrat?
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I would hope so. But I bet you everyone of those democrats still feel that Biden is far more preferable than Trump; unlike the many repubs who have publicly stated they will not support Trump.
 
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luthervol said:
I would hope so. But I bet you everyone of those democrats still feel that Biden is far more preferable than Trump; unlike the many repubs who have publicly stated they will not support Trump.
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Really? Why don't you ask Tara?
 
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I don't expect Trump or Biden to drop out of the race but what is the protocol if one of them does drop out? You can't re-do the primaries to award the delegates to someone else. Just curious.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
You just can't help yourself with the personal attacks, can you? Bringing actual facts is something that you don't seem to be capable of with your posts.
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Trump isn't someone any reputable business school would ever use as a model for case study unless it was about what not to do. It's a fact that this country's most successful businesses haven't been accused of fraud or taken to court as often as Trump. It's a fact that this country's best business men and women haven't had their charitable foundations dissolved because of fraud. It's a fact that this country's best and brightest haven't started companies, bilked people out of money and then refused to pay it back. I haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg on the facts concerning Trump's shady business dealings. It's also NOT A FACT that it is commonplace for billionaires to commit such acts of fraud and repetitive bankruptcy such as Trump
 
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McDad said:
I agree with all of that.

But there is a difference in calculating what his estimated tax would have been and what he actually paid. That's all I am trying to encourage you to do.
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The assertion was made that Trump simply inherited his wealth. That's a false narrative as he began managing the family's real estate business when it was around maybe a couple percent of a billion and maneuvered those assets through the time of his father's death when the marginal federal rate was 55%. He's clearly grown the family empire into billions. It's laughable for posters to suggest that he's a failed business person stumbling from bankruptcy to bankruptcy,
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Trump isn't someone any reputable business school would ever use as a model for case study unless it was about what not to do. It's a fact that this country's most successful businesses haven't been accused of fraud or taken to court as often as Trump. It's a fact that this country's best business men and women haven't had their charitable foundations dissolved because of fraud. It's a fact that this country's best and brightest haven't started companies, bilked people out of money and then refused to pay it back. I haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg on the facts concerning Trump's shady business dealings. It's also NOT A FACT that it is commonplace for billionaires to commit such acts of fraud and repetitive bankruptcy such as Trump
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It's a fact that fraud is a criminal offense. When did Donald do time?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The assertion was made that Trump simply inherited his wealth. That's a false narrative as he began managing the family's real estate business when it was around maybe a couple percent of a billion and maneuvered those assets through the time of his father's death when the marginal federal rate was 55%. He's clearly grown the family empire into billions. It's laughable for posters to suggest that he's a failed business person stumbling from bankruptcy to bankruptcy,
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Don't bother TGO, these morons don't have a clue about anything you're talking about. You're a very smart man and many here could do well by listening to your advice.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The assertion was made that Trump simply inherited his wealth. That's a false narrative as he began managing the family's real estate business when it was around maybe a couple percent of a billion and maneuvered those assets through the time of his father's death when the marginal federal rate was 55%. He's clearly grown the family empire into billions. It's laughable for posters to suggest that he's a failed business person stumbling from bankruptcy to bankruptcy,
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It's also laughable to say that being a millionaire at 8, having your dad give you a 7 figure income at 21 and receiving 9 figures over the years from your parents makes you a self made billionaire..

Again, the truth probably lies in the middle
 
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