To Protect and to Serve II

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#10,553
MOOOOONEY said:
Window tint?
Is a safety issue. Criminals use it so they are not seen taking aim
Blown tag light?
Can Cause wrecks
Busted taillight?
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Those are not frivolous. They are safety issues. Try again. You will be the first one to complain when you rear end someone cuz you didn’t see Their taillights.
 
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#10,557
MOOOOONEY said:
I’m sorry that you missed the whole point of the post.

The OP stated no one will want the job due to frivolous lawsuits then I stated that cops write frivolous tickets everyday. If a cop chooses to enforce a frivolous blown tag light law then so be it. These frivolous laws are only enforced to harass and tax mostly poor citizens and to violate constitutional rights looking for other violations.

The main point of my post was if someone doesn’t want to be a cop because they can be held accountable for violating the rights of citizens who give them the power of the badge then they probably shouldn’t be a law enforcement officer to begin with.
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Would you stay at a job where the culture was so toxic that all it took was some mundane mistake that could get you fired from your job, or being sued it possible prison time? Granted in some of the extreme cases I believe all the above is warranted but right now you could hardly blame officers for fearing all the above given the current climate. Officers have been sold out for mob justice for political aspirations.

Do we need reform, absolutely. But defunding police is a horrible idea for multiple reasons.

And if you feel it a violation of rights to be pulled over for a legitimate reason then I would say you are part of the problem as well. Officers are trained to ask questions and often find other more serious crimes when they get out with someone. If they take an illegal firearm, drugs, drunk drivers it what have you off the streets then it is a win. I would argue a good portion of the time those simple equipment citations aren't issued especially when the person has a good attitude and isn't confrontational. In my experience you get what you give most of the time when dealing with police, not always but most of the time.
 
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#10,559
vol445 said:
Those are not frivolous. They are safety issues. Try again. You will be the first one to complain when you rear end someone cuz you didn’t see Their taillights.
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The Amish that ride around don't have taillights. At most, all they have is a lantern and those reflective triangles. No different than the reflective material in car taillights even if they are busted.
 
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#10,560
KB5252 said:
Would you stay at a job where the culture was so toxic that all it took was some mundane mistake that could get you fired from your job, or being sued it possible prison time? Granted in some of the extreme cases I believe all the above is warranted but right now you could hardly blame officers for fearing all the above given the current climate. Officers have been sold out for mob justice for political aspirations.

Do we need reform, absolutely. But defunding police is a horrible idea for multiple reasons.

And if you feel it a violation of rights to be pulled over for a legitimate reason then I would say you are part of the problem as well. Officers are trained to ask questions and often find other more serious crimes when they get out with someone. If they take an illegal firearm, drugs, drunk drivers it what have you off the streets then it is a win. I would argue a good portion of the time those simple equipment citations aren't issued especially when the person has a good attitude and isn't confrontational. In my experience you get what you give most of the time when dealing with police, not always but most of the time.
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If someone on my job died because of my negligence, then I will have to suffer the consequences. Why should cops be any different? Do they not realize that in the real world, that is how it works?
 
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#10,562
Rasputin_Vol said:
If someone on my job died because of my negligence, then I will have to suffer the consequences. Why should cops be any different? Do they not realize that in the real world, that is how it works?
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Agreed but what about the situations where you were not negligent and followed law but end up charged with murder, like the one it Atlanta for example. Fire him for the kick after he was down, I'm fine with that but charging him with murder is not justified by the law as it is currently written. That is what I am talking about, hold them accountable, that isn't what happened in Atlanta though.
 
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#10,565
vol445 said:
Those are not frivolous. They are safety issues. Try again. You will be the first one to complain when you rear end someone cuz you didn’t see Their taillights.
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A blown tag light can cause a wreck? I’m not looking at anyone’s tag light while I’m driving.

Criminals are behind window tint taking aim with what? A gun? We don’t really see a lot of stories of Drive by shootings through a window. Usually the criminal has their window rolled down.

I’ve never had an accident because someone had a busted taillight. I think that’s why vehicles have 2 of them.

There’s plenty of rapes, murders, robberies, and assaults to keep law enforcement busy, but these are not revenue producing crimes, so that’s why officers feel the need to harass and tax.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
A blown tag light can cause a wreck? I’m not looking at anyone’s tag light while I’m driving.

Criminals are behind window tint taking aim with what? A gun? We don’t really see a lot of stories of Drive by shootings through a window. Usually the criminal has their window rolled down.

I’ve never had an accident because someone had a busted taillight. I think that’s why vehicles have 2 of them.

There’s plenty of rapes, murders, robberies, and assaults to keep law enforcement busy, but these are not revenue producing crimes, so that’s why officers feel the need to harass and tax.
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Not to mention the lights that they now put in the center of the rear window. So you actually have 3 lights on many cars now.
 
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KB5252 said:
Would you stay at a job where the culture was so toxic that all it took was some mundane mistake that could get you fired from your job, or being sued it possible prison time? Granted in some of the extreme cases I believe all the above is warranted but right now you could hardly blame officers for fearing all the above given the current climate. Officers have been sold out for mob justice for political aspirations.

Do we need reform, absolutely. But defunding police is a horrible idea for multiple reasons.

And if you feel it a violation of rights to be pulled over for a legitimate reason then I would say you are part of the problem as well. Officers are trained to ask questions and often find other more serious crimes when they get out with someone. If they take an illegal firearm, drugs, drunk drivers it what have you off the streets then it is a win. I would argue a good portion of the time those simple equipment citations aren't issued especially when the person has a good attitude and isn't confrontational. In my experience you get what you give most of the time when dealing with police, not always but most of the time.
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If I make a large error in my field of work than I can face fines, being sued, and prison time why should law enforcement be any different?

I never said anything about defunding law enforcement.

Violating the constitutional rights of citizens to take marijuana off the streets shouldn’t be the goal of law enforcement officers. They use a frivolous tag light law to violate the 4th amendment. I’m courteous to law enforcement officers also but in every traffic stop situation they try to violate my constitutional rights.
 
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KB5252 said:
Agreed but what about the situations where you were not negligent and followed law but end up charged with murder, like the one it Atlanta for example. Fire him for the kick after he was down, I'm fine with that but charging him with murder is not justified by the law as it is currently written. That is what I am talking about, hold them accountable, that isn't what happened in Atlanta though.
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Someone died and the cop was charged with murder. How many Americans have been charged with murder?

Whether you agree with the charges or not the cop is still protected by the 6th amendment right that guarantees a trial with an impartial jury.
 
#10,573
#10,573
MOOOOONEY said:
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Someone died and the cop was charged with murder. How many Americans have been charged with murder?/QUOTE]

Why are we picking when under the law and the DA's own words this was a justified shooting. The point is advocating for justice isn't it? You can't advocate for justice while denying it to others, it makes you wrong every time.
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#10,574
KB5252 said:
Why are we picking when under the law and the DA's own words this was a justified shooting. The point is advocating for justice isn't it? You can't advocate for justice while denying it to others, it makes you wrong every time.
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The DA? LOL... Another fox guarding the hen house.
 
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