Major Travis Yates - Thoughts of a LEO

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landscapingvol said:
I couldn't agree more so in the future when you make a mistake at work let me know that way I can come throw rocks and bottles at you all in the name of "accountability". I doubt a cop has ever been fired
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Shooting an innocent woman while she sleeps isn't a "mistake". The very fact that they could legally be in her house, armed and ovewehelming without even announcing themselves... that's not a "mistake". That an abuse of civil rights.

A "mistake" would be allowing rat droppings into my burger. A systemic problem is adding rat droppings to the recipe.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Blue font?? I think I smell what you're cooking, but I want to make sure.
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No blue font. Why are they given the benefit of the doubt on being correct? The city/state govt hired them. If judges didn't defer to police opinion where is the credibility. "The govt said you're a capable law enforcement officer so that means you're here because Mr/Mrs Citizen did something wrong." Much of the time it can be proven with facts/investigation/attorneys ect. But when it comes to the he said/she said stuff like speeding tickets? Cop is right because he's a cop.

City/state govt want law enforcement so they will defer to their opinion to give law enforcement authority/credibility for no other reason than they hired them.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but if I injure or kill someone on my job or found negligent, I would be held accountable. It is like that for most working stiffs out here. At the very least, I get fired. At the very most, I go to jail.

Or are you calling me a liar?
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And if your employer was found to have implemented policies that promoted the injury or death of others, they would be held responsible as an organization.

They probably wouldn't have the juevos to write editorials about how mean the public is for demanding they change their policies, either.

I'm still fired up about this article. It is so caustically self-unaware that it should give every reader blisters on their eyeballs. As long as the police have chronically talked to people like they're beneath them, they want to now cry, moan and quit because people are talking mean about the police.

Go away. Seriously. Quit and do us all a favor. Maybe our country is still producing men and women with skin thick enough for the job--and hearts soft enough for it. And maybe they'll fill the void.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Since we are just fixating on the small minority of events that occur in the police profession to incriminate the whole system, let's also do away with the military because innocent civilians have been killed in every combat zone. We should also probably disband the medical industry because some doctors have made errors while performing operations which led to the deaths of patients. Don't even get me started on truck drivers, I mean they act like they own the whole road. I look forward to our new, mistake free society where everyone does their job flawlessly with 100% accountability across the board.
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The cop that had his knee on a guys neck did not make an error.

And LOL at you condemning truck drivers for thinking they own the road. Have you seen cops drive on these highways?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
And if your employer was found to have implemented policies that promoted the injury or death of others, they would be held responsible as an organization.

They probably wouldn't have the juevos to write editorials about how mean the public is for demanding they change their policies, either.

I'm still fired up about this article. It is so caustically self-unaware that it should give every reader blisters on their eyeballs. As long as the police have chronically talked to people like they're beneath them, they want to now cry, moan and quit because people are talking mean about the police.

Go away. Seriously. Quit and do us all a favor. Maybe our country is still producing men and women with skin thick enough for the job--and hearts soft enough for it. And maybe they'll fill the void.
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The snowflake ex cop who wrote it said black people should be shot more a couple days ago so it's not surprising.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I couldn't agree more so in the future when you make a mistake at work let me know that way I can come throw rocks and bottles at you all in the name of "accountability". I doubt a cop has ever been fired
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We are talking about violating a person's rights or jeopardizing someone's life or limb while on the job. Don't trivialize it to just coming in an hour late or not filling out a TPS report.
 
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People are rightfully pissed off at the police and if law enforcement officers sensibilities are hurt because of it then don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

For the ones that really care and are willing to buckle down, listen to the criticism and fix it they have my full support.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
“We used to be able to testify in court and we were believed. Now, unless there is video from three different angles, no one cares what you have to say.”

This is utter ********, but to the extent there is a kernel of truth to it: Whose fault is that? Is taking even a little responsibility too much to ask?

Nearly everything else he said about police being the real victims here is an equally disingenuous appeal to emotion over fact.
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What are the facts? This is whole situation is based on emotions instead of fact..... taking cops completely out of the situation ..... between 2007-2018.... there were 260,000 African-Americans treated for non-fatal gunshot wounds in America compared to only 77,000 for white people.... A lot of our cities have become war zones in certain areas.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but if I injure or kill someone on my job or found negligent, I would be held accountable. It is like that for most working stiffs out here. At the very least, I get fired. At the very most, I go to jail.

Or are you calling me a liar?
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Whether or not you are liar is for you to determine but you are an idiot/paranoid/delusional if you think the police are out to get you
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Shooting an innocent woman while she sleeps isn't a "mistake". The very fact that they could legally be in her house, armed and ovewehelming without even announcing themselves... that's not a "mistake". That an abuse of civil rights.

A "mistake" would be allowing rat droppings into my burger. A systemic problem is adding rat droppings to the recipe.
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Fixating on the mistakes of a few that you don’t know the whole story behind is absolutely an overreaction by a vocal minority.
 
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volbeast33 said:
What are the facts? This is whole situation is based on emotions instead of fact..... taking cops completely out of the situation ..... between 2007-2018.... there were 260,000 African-Americans treated for non-fatal gunshot wounds in America compared to only 77,000 for white people.... A lot of our cities have become war zones in certain areas.
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Instead of blaming the real problem which is fatherless young males, and unemployment they find scapegoats in a handful of rogue cops. It is literally always someone else’s fault instead of their own
 
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landscapingvol said:
Fixating on the mistakes of a few that you don’t know the whole story behind is absolutely an overreaction by a vocal minority.
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How many people have to be harassed, beat up, or murdered for no reason by different police departments all around the country for you and others to realize that there's a serious problem with cops right now. It doesn't matter where you're at in this country, cops nationwide are violating people's rights and civil liberties left and right.. We couldn't even make it 2 weeks out of a nationwide lockdown before a cop murdered someone for crying out loud.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In a court of law where a case is determined based on evidence and facts, why should a cops testimony carry more weight than anyone else's? That is one of the major problems.
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Juries and judges can dismiss an officer’s testimony if they choose
 
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RockyTop85 said:
100% of the time.
In my experience, Judges will believe the officer over the video more often than they’ll believe anybody else over the officer.
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Why do you think judges and juries believe officers over those with criminal histories most of the time?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Is asking cops not to use unnecessary lethal force and not to violate my rights that big of a hurdle?

That is all most reasonable people are asking for.
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I agree but the issue is that most criminals have a different definition of what constitutes rights violations and unnecessary lethal force even when the law says otherwise
 
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landscapingvol said:
Whether or not you are liar is for you to determine but you are an idiot/paranoid/delusional if you think the police are out to get you
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You seemed to come out of nowhere to attack Ras like that. I have news for you asshat, Ras is one of the few on this board that tells the truth and is far from being an idiot or paranoid or delusional.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
How many people have to be harassed, beat up, or murdered for no reason by different police departments all around the country for you and others to realize that there's a serious problem with cops right now. It doesn't matter where you're at in this country, cops nationwide are violating people's rights and civil liberties left and right.. We couldn't even make it 2 weeks out of a nationwide lockdown before a cop murdered someone for crying out loud.
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lol. There isn't. You jumped on the lamest hype train in the history of the USA. Black deaths by cop, for instance, is statistically inconsequential. You're in the same league of someone complaining that Bees killing humans is a problem that must be addressed (cops killed people 5 times more than bees did fyi)..What needs to be addressed is black people kill more black people than any other race in the USA, and only represent 14% of the population. THAT is what needs to be addressed but its too difficult because it means a lot of people are going to have to do some soul searching and come to terms with how they and their communities behave.

..And they won't..because its not the easy way out. Your way. Thats the easy way out thus the most popular choice.
 
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VolStrom said:
You seemed to come out of nowhere to attack Ras like that. I have news for you asshat, Ras is one of the few on this board that tells the truth and is far from being an idiot or paranoid or delusional.
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That hurts me to the core boy wonder
 
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VolStrom said:
You seemed to come out of nowhere to attack Ras like that. I have news for you asshat, Ras is one of the few on this board that tells the truth and is far from being an idiot or paranoid or delusional.
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Furthermore it’s that type of lunacy that is destroying this country
 
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landscapingvol said:
Whether or not you are liar is for you to determine but you are an idiot/paranoid/delusional if you think the police are out to get you
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How about you stay on topic and not put words in my mouth? My reply to you was with regards to your comment about accountability on the job. It had absolutely nothing to do with me being in fear of cops hunting me down.

landscapingvol said:
Yeah that's what's going on right now, "accountability". I hope that you get held that accountable at your job. I mean after all if we are going to evolve as a complex, multi-cultural, inclusive society everyone has to be treated the same way, amirite?
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landscapingvol said:
Instead of blaming the real problem which is fatherless young males, and unemployment they find scapegoats in a handful of rogue cops. It is literally always someone else’s fault instead of their own
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I'm not going to argue that the other side of the argument had some accountability issues of their own to fix, but let's not get bogged down in what-about-isms. I think both sides in this mess have a lot they have to come to terms with sooner rather than later.

No reasonable person could disagree with that. I'm doing my best within my circle to address the fatherless homes issue. I'm asking you to do the same with this police issue.
 
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