George Floyd Protest/Riots

[Weezer]

DO IT! I want to watch the little social experiment unfold .

That would be one way to cause a spike in gun sales.

 

[NashVol11]

 

[Carl Pickens]

The media coverage of all this is like a freaking parody

 

[0nelilreb]

Unfortunately the rioting and looting is the only thing that enacts change.

It only hurts the community that they live in . Burning down your own stores where you live it idiotic . Sh!tting in your own nest is never a good idea . The people that aren’t directly affected ( outside of the big urban cities ) just dig into their positions and refuse to be bullied that way . You see it playing out everyday .

 

[RockyTop85]

Texas Republicans call on county GOP chair to resign for saying Floyd's death was staged

Alright, which one of you is this?

 

[NashVol11]

Organized by 15-year-olds. Beautiful. Pleasantly surprised by my city

 

[Ten_Titans]

The media coverage of all this is like a freaking parody

We were all for arresting people... Alone on a beach... For killing grandma. Days ago.

And on top of that we already know Covid is racist. If you support protests being held at this time you don't believe black lives matter.

Or, ya know, you don't believe Covid is all that deadly.

 

[0nelilreb]

Dear lord don’t let Monty see that , he won’t come out of his den for another 3 years waiting on Covid to kill everybody .

 

[Tyler Durden]

Bull ****.

Guarantee if it wasn't for the riots and looting this story would've died over the weekend. Every. Single. Time. Something like this happens people talk about how terrible it is, quote MLK Jr., talk about how we must listen to each other and how we must come together. Then absolutely nothing happens that would prevent it from happening again in the future and everyone goes back to their lives.

If only there was a peaceful protest 4 years ago! Oh wait...that happened and it was completely blown off because precious flag > human life. When you don't listen and do something when they're protesting peacefully you'll damn sure listen and do something when they're destroying your city.

 

[NCFisher]

This is the first Minnesota case law result for “lesser included offense of second degree murder:“

State v. Leinweber, 228 NW 2d 120 - Minn: Supreme Court 1975 - Google Scholar

The first sentences of the case lay out the procedural posture, starting with the indicted charges and the result at the trial level:

“Defendant, Harry Alexander Leinweber, was charged by information with murder in the second degree for the shooting death in June 1971 of his wife. Following an 18-day trial, the jury found him guilty of the lesser offense of murder in the third degree, and he was sentenced to imprisonment for an indeterminate term of not more than 25 years.

So the prosecutor “introduced” the charge of second degree murder and lost. But the guy didn’t walk, like you said he should. The defendant still got convicted of a lesser offense. He got a 25 year sentence.

Turns out the judge, consistent with Minnesota law (and as far as I know, the law in all 50 states) instructed the jury on lesser included offenses. They convicted him of a lesser offense, just like I said they could and just like the state’s attorney general would know that they could.

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But wait, there’s more: Mr. Leinweber agreed with you and thought this was an affront to justice. He appealed. But his lawyer wasn’t aware of this “overcharged defendant walks if not convicted of top charge” silver bullet, so he appealed on the grounds that the judge didn’t charge enough lesser included offenses.

And the Supreme Court of Minnesota, instead of asking “what is a lesser included offense,” agreed! This man got a new trial because the judge didn’t instruct the jury about enough alternative crimes.

So this idea that the perp walks if the prosecutor fails to prove the charge on the indictment is news to the prosecutor, defense attorney, trial judge, jury, appellate judges, and Supreme Court of Minnesota. And that has been the case since 1975!

This cop may very well earn a full acquittal.* In fact, for reasons I wrote out earlier, I’d be more surprised by a conviction, even for any lesser included, than I would by a straight acquittal. But the odds that it will have anything to do with this charging decision are extremely remote, because the jury will be instructed on lesser included offenses, consistent with Minnesota law. They’ll be instructed on third degree murder and any other lesser included required under Minnesota law.

You clearly have a romanticized view of the criminal legal system that probably developed from watching Law & Order reruns. Take a day off from Dunning & Kruger, go down to your local courthouse, and watch a day of the lowest level criminal court you can find. Then come back and tell me how much I don’t know about how great suspected criminals are treated in America.

*- although suspect your interpretation of the necessary evidence for a conviction on murder 2 is erroneous as well. Those issues tend to vary slightly on a state-state basis and I don’t care to go down that rabbit hole.

You’re reading a bit much into it and I should be more literal, I guess. I know overcharging occurs and generally why, and stated "we don’t overcharge AND over-convict on emotion". That is a statement - a rebuttal to emotion - of what we should never do, and expressed that in the interest of preserving “rule of law.” The Man 2 charge is the fallback position.

It is not an expression that he should go scott-free, or would in the face of lesser charges. I do want him to ‘walk’ – be found not guilty – of the Murder 2 charge unless he’s found to have deliberately killed Floyd. That said, were it the only charge, I’d definitely want him to go free rather than be mob convicted unjustly.

It wasn't about how "great" suspects are treated, but your minimization of what occurred. You equated the FBI and Mueller investigations with just shite that happens to "any suspected criminal" when Horowitz, Barr, and now Rosenstein have said that is clearly not the case in the most high-profile, unprecedented probes in U.S. history by our premier agencies. Dunning/Kruger that, smart guy.

BTW, I knew you'd say that; you've become pitifully monotonous. As a personal favor, could you extend yourself a bit, change up the insult catalog? Thanks friend!

 

[Weezer]

Calls today at Floyd's Memorial Service for a march on Washington August 28. That is the anniversary of the original Million Man March, and one day after the GOP Convention if they keep the original North Carolina dates.

Zero problem with this as long as it remains peaceful. They should line up some speakers for the event. I hear CK is available.

 

[0nelilreb]

Guarantee if it wasn't for the riots and looting this story would've died over the weekend. Every. Single. Time. Something like this happens people talk about how terrible it is, quote MLK Jr., talk about how we must listen to each other and how we must come together. Then absolutely nothing happens that would prevent it from happening again in the future and everyone goes back to their lives.

If only there was a peaceful protest 4 years ago! Oh wait...that happened and it was completely blown off because precious flag > human life. When you don't listen and do something when they're protesting peacefully you'll damn sure listen and do something when they're destroying your city.

Sounds to me like these big urban utopias need different leaders . Why are the ones in the Democratic Party still voting for these people that allow this to happen ?

 

[Weezer]

Guarantee if it wasn't for the riots and looting this story would've died over the weekend. Every. Single. Time. Something like this happens people talk about how terrible it is, quote MLK Jr., talk about how we must listen to each other and how we must come together. Then absolutely nothing happens that would prevent it from happening again in the future and everyone goes back to their lives.

If only there was a peaceful protest 4 years ago! Oh wait...that happened and it was completely blown off because precious flag > human life. When you don't listen and do something when they're protesting peacefully you'll damn sure listen and do something when they're destroying your city.

Again, bull ****.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Organized by 15-year-olds. Beautiful. Pleasantly surprised by my city

Let’s hope it stays peaceful and civil

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[NCFisher]

I want to hug and buy this woman a beer at the same time for truth talking and not being afraid to say it out loud . Freakin white Karen is splainin to this black woman why she is oppressed . Smdh .

This woman would go right into the wood chipper with privileged white guy should the left get their way.
I'm surprised Karen didn't beat her senseless until she agreed that she was, indeed, oppressed.

 

[Carl Pickens]

We were all for arresting people... Alone on a beach... For killing grandma. Days ago.

And on top of that we already know Covid is racist. If you support protests being held at this time you don't believe black lives matter.

Or, ya know, you don't believe Covid is all that deadly.

Don’t forget about Drew Brees hating black people now

 

[NashVol11]

Again, bull ****.

 

[Weezer]

Supposedly nothing has changed in 60 years. So of course the Dems run Biden, who in 40+ years of government service has done nothing. And before the liberals get their panties wadded, no, I don't think Trump is better. He obviously does not know when to stop speaking or tweeting. Government has failed us. The political parties have failed us. Hell, we had our first black President, but we still have race problems. If you choose to believe nothing has changed in the last 60 years, as some have absolutely posted, then you need to face the reality of spreading the blame to ALL that deserve it. But I doubt that happens. Blaming tends to be selective.

 

[volfanjustin]

Organized by 15-year-olds. Beautiful. Pleasantly surprised by my city

I thought your idiot mayor said no one should be in groups larger than 25

 

[Weezer]

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So stealing and killing innocent people is your solution. Six months from now when video of another black man getting killed by police surfaces, what will this violence have accomplished? Other than people getting free **** and innocent lives having been lost, that is.

 

[JCP201]

 

[NCFisher]

Nope. Only thing I said is I thought it was a bad idea to allow armed, pissed off protesters in a state capital building. Didn't care if they protested one bit.

So pissed off they peacefully didn't riot, loot, or shoot anyone.

I know which pissed off voting block I'd rather be the target of.

 

[volfanjustin]

Let’s hope it stays peaceful and civil

Doubt it

 

[volfanjustin]

I’m starting to hate white people too