Systemic Racism

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Rickyvol77 said:
I can't believe i forgot that off the top of my head. but you are 100% correct
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That and young people who just flat don’t want to work hard. Interviewed a lot of college grads who think they should start at $100,000 a year and that they should be in management in two years. A lot of entitlement in today’s kids.
 
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k-town_king said:
I guess you don't know what words like inexhuastive, common, and systemic mean.
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well let's see:

unarmed blacks shot by police - 10 per year
proven cases of blacks being systemically discriminated against by businesses - 10 per year

Your "proof" is getting more iffy considering the number of black people killed by:

-drive-by/gang shootings
-drug overdoses
-drowning
-Obesity/diabetes
-Heart disease/hypertension
-traffic accidents
-dog attacks
-falls

or compared to the number of positives like:
-black people who win the lottery
-black millionaires
-black mayors/governors/congressmen
-black business owners
-black athletes/actors/actresses
-black Rhodes scholars


honestly you are complaining about something being a "systemic issue" that barely affects .00000001 of black people in general, let alone the entire US Population
 
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k-town_king said:
Ok just as much. Does that make it better for you?



Great. Education is a great thing. Good for you buddy.

You are still on the wrong side of history.


No. And being outspoken vs racism is not being "the real racist."
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Fair enough. Appreciate the answer.
 
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Septic said:
LOL. You're smarter than this. Of course, those aren't all of them - EEOC cases happen all the time, in every city and every state. There are entire law practices that specialize in that area.

Had you read the byline description you'd have noticed that:



At any rate, he and many others deny its existence completely - he asked for a list and I gave it to him.
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And I was ridiculing it as a list.

We are a overly litigious nation. I have no problem believing there are dozens and dozens of cases going on everywhere at pretty much any time. I have a hard time believing that it boils down to actual racism most of the time.
 
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Delmar said:
That and young people who just flat don’t want to work hard. Interviewed a lot of college grads who think they should start at $100,000 a year and that they should be in management in two years. A lot of entitlement in today’s kids.
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No kidding. I was so sick of entitled little brats coming through my company that worked for 2-3 years and then left to be in management someplace else. Oh and don't start work until 9:00 or preferably 11:00, because anything earlier is too hard.
 
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k-town_king said:
Well then lets not forget most would be cannabis. Cannabis is only illegal and stigmatized to be tested for due to a racist campaign using cannabis against the black and Mexican people.

It all still comes back to racism. Just like everything else in America.
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Well it does for YOU, because everything looks like a nail when you are a hammer.

But can you give us an example of a country that isn't racist?
 
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k-town_king said:
I guess you don't know what words like inexhuastive, common, and systemic mean.
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If you are providing a list to prove systemic racism one would expect it far more exhaustive than that. What was really curious, to me, is that it wasnt some set amount. Like they could have listed 10 a year, and provided a link at the bottom to others. That still wouldnt have been exhaustive but would provide a clear statement that it's a consistent problem of enough numbers to be an effective argument.

When it bounces from 7 one year to 6 the next to 4 to 7 to 2, that list feels like they are being specific about the cases instead of general/common. They provide no reasoning for the number or the specific cases they chose to highlight. At least that I saw. I admittedly didnt make it down to 2003 so maybe there was an explanation there.
 
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k-town_king said:
Well then lets not forget most would be cannabis. Cannabis is only illegal and stigmatized to be tested for due to a racist campaign using cannabis against the black and Mexican people.

It all still comes back to racism. Just like everything else in America.
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Sorry, that dog won’t hunt. We get plenty of whites that can’t pass a drug screen. I’m not going to comment on what should or shouldn’t be legal. Until it’s legalized completely, Cannabis is illegal in the eyes of most corporations and they are allowed to make their own rules. We get randomly drug tested and I can be fired for testing positive. It’s not just for prospective employees.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Individuals. The person. Doesn't matter race, creed, color, affiliation.

Self reliance, self dependence, and rugged individualism make for success, whatever barometer is applied to what "success" is. Obstacles are obstacles, no matter how small or big, and the only thing that doesn't yield success is falling victim to the obstacles instead of overcoming them.

Frederick Douglas is the best example. It truly lies within the human. Everything else is excuses and for losers, and that's why there are so few winners.

Feast or famine. Go back in time. It is very simple, we just like to think it isn't. Necessity is the mother of all invention, and more so, all survival.

We just happen to live in a system where by resources and the ability to sustain and live, are too easy. Take it all away, crumble the whole thing down, and you'll see the same people thrive and same fail, no matter color, creed, or race.
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That was pretty impressive when he knocked out Mike Tyson.
 
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allvol123 said:
It is difficult to imagine such a poor existence as yours. That statement is as loser of a mentality as I've ever seen.
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You are the one that sounds so angry little buddy.

I'm doing ok myself.

C-south said:
Are you saying minorities have to use and/or associate themselves with drugs?
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No, All races use drugs the same.

I took it as candidates overall of any race had trouble passing a dt. I was pointing out the reason that a dt for cannabis even exist for anyone is due to racism.
 
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k-town_king said:
You are the one that sounds so angry little buddy.

I'm doing ok myself.


No, All races use drugs the same.

I took it as candidates overall of any race had trouble passing a dt. I was pointing out the reason that a dt for cannabis even exist for anyone is due to racism.
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I dont think you are. That statement wreaks of self pity and hatred. With that attitude it would be hard to imagine you've really had any meaningful positive impact on anything you've ever touched.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Well it does for YOU, because everything looks like a nail when you are a hammer.

But can you give us an example of a country that isn't racist?
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well pal if I had lived in another country I would speak to my thoughts on the country. I have not so how would I know?
 
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k-town_king said:
I took it as candidates overall of any race had trouble passing a dt. I was pointing out the reason that a dt for cannabis even exist for anyone is due to racism.
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I have to disagree. It's mainly insurance related. Or in some cases federally regulated in safety sensitive positions.
 
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allvol123 said:
I dont think you are. That statement wreaks of self pity and hatred. With that attitude it would be hard to imagine you've really had any meaningful positive impact on anything you've ever touched.
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Ok champ. Whatever you need to think.

Delmar said:
Sorry, that dog won’t hunt. We get plenty of whites that can’t pass a drug screen. I’m not going to comment on what should or shouldn’t be legal. Until it’s legalized completely, Cannabis is illegal in the eyes of most corporations and they are allowed to make their own rules. We get randomly drug tested and I can be fired for testing positive. It’s not just for prospective employees.
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i was speaking on the historical reason that they even test. it is rooted in racism.

Matt2496 said:
Saying that the only reason an employer would turn down a black prospect is due to racism is an incredibly weak argument.
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Not one single person said that
 
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k-town_king said:
You are the one that sounds so angry little buddy.

I'm doing ok myself.


No, All races use drugs the same.

I took it as candidates overall of any race had trouble passing a dt. I was pointing out the reason that a dt for cannabis even exist for anyone is due to racism.
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A dt exists because a company doesn’t want to employ drug addicts or have them as a liability. The racism angle is absurd and contradictory to what you just said. If all races use drugs the same how is a drug test racist?
 
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k-town_king said:
Ok champ. Whatever you need to think.



i was speaking on the historical reason that they even test. it is rooted in racism.


Not one single person said that
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No, in the chemical industry where I work, it’s rooted in the interest of not having a chemical operator show up stoned and push the wrong button and blow up the plant. That’s why we drug test. Has nothing to do with racism. If you could pass the drug test and had some aptitude to learn, we didn’t care if you were purple and from Mars.
 
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hog88 said:
I have to disagree. It's mainly insurance related. Or in some cases federally regulated in safety sensitive positions.
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Right, but I think he's saying why does cannabis have this status? Why do so many employers test for modest cannabis use and not for problems with alcohol?

Studies show you can operate a vehicle better on marijuana than you can on alcohol, yet we're not checking drivers who might be hung over from last night but we'll give random piss tests to drivers because we want to find out if they ate a weed brownie 3 weeks ago? I get what you're saying that it's a liability thing and that it's what insurance requires, but why is that the case? I don't think it's racist for people today who have just accepted the status quo, but there was something racist about how it became the status quo. A member of congress 100 years ago literally argued in session that all Mexicans are crazy and that they all smoke marijuana, LOL. Those are the roots of the stigma that contributes/leads to marijuana and alcohol being viewed differently today.
 
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