George Floyd Protest/Riots

[tvolsfan]

Antifa needs to be banned and their leaders jailed. They are a terrorist organization paid for by George Soros to cause havoc in the US.

You seem certain. So, who are the leaders and where is the evidence for George Soros funding then?

 

[C-south]

How many Kapernicks have to be ignored or mocked before they decide change isn't going to come via rational discussion? Also, just how long do you believe the POC community has had an issue with with these issues? MLK had his dream in 1963, so it didn't start then...

No change is needed. The issue has nothing to do with race. Sometimes bad people are put in positions they should never be in and sometimes good people will make mistakes. You can train people, preach, beg, and plead but s*** will always happen. Laws don’t prevent criminals from committing crime. Rules don’t keep teachers from screwing students, doesn’t prevent sexual harassment, etc.

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[Septic]

To some degree I agree, but to some degree I do not. Does racism still exist? Absolutely. It will probably always exist to some extent. Some people look for reasons to hate. But it's not even close to as prevalent as it was during MLK's time. At the very least, we try to address it when it rears its ugly head. We no longer live in a time where the murder of a black man was seen as nothing. Plenty of people have expressed outrage over how this cop treated and ultimately killed Floyd. It hasn't been ignored. Even before people lost their minds, outrage was being expressed. And I, at least, would have zero problem supporting reasonable protest. I want to believe most people would support reasonable protest. But attacking and destroying and stealing from people who have nothing to do with what you are outraged about is not protesting. That's criminal activity. Being mad at the police does not mean you get to break the law. You protest the police. You demand change. You find effective ways to make change. You don't ruin or take the lives of others and think it justified. And the truth is, most of the rioters and looters will forget all about actually trying to change things once order is restored. They'll sit back, bitch about how unfair life is, and wait for the next event that allows them to run amok. Change will not come that way. If you truly want change, you have to work for it. You can't just sit on your ass waiting on something to be outraged about.

The thing is, if they do nothing at all - change won't come that way either.

 

[Septic]

No change is needed. The issue has nothing to do with race. Sometimes bad people are put in positions they should never be in and sometimes good people will make mistakes. You can train people, preach, beg, and plead but s*** will always happen. Laws don’t prevent criminals from committing crime. Rules don’t keep teachers from screwing students, doesn’t prevent sexual harassment, etc.

This is why no one takes you seriously.

 

[tvolsfan]

I saw where he brought up making it illegal to burn the flag. Why the hell is that pertinent to the issue at hand? He just loves freedom so much.

Far be it from Trump to let the constitution get in the way of rube bait.

 

[Ten_Titans]

If you can quote where I said "the best thing that came from this is discussion," I'd be forever grateful.

I don't disagree, but you're trying to rationalize the group think of seriously pissed off people. There are posters here that are trivializing their plight and even suggesting that racism doesn't exist, and few have even called them out.

I've already stated that I don't condone their behaviour, but I understand it. Whether you agree with it or not, the dialogue is being had and folks are definitely paying attention.

Pretty well implied here.

So is dialouge good or bad?

It certainly can be good if anyone has any intention of fixing anything, which there isn't any evidence of whatsoever as of yet.

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[Orangeburst]

Dang....troops on WH grounds/

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[hog88]

How many kneeling Kapernicks have to be ignored or mocked before they decide change isn't going to come via rational discussion? Also, just how long do you believe the POC community has had an issue with with systemic problems? MLK had his dream in 1963, so it didn't start then...

MLK was ignored, mocked, arrested and beaten. He didn't quit or stoop to the same level of his detractors.

Change takes time, or revolution.

 

[Septic]

Pretty well implied here.

So is dialouge good or bad?

It certainly can be good if anyone has any intention of fixing anything, which there isn't any evidence of whatsoever as of yet.

Geezus man.

Do you even have any idea what argument you're trying to put forth? If you want to have a discussion, don't put words in my mouth and then come up with ways to defeat a ginned up argument.

 

[Weezer]

How many kneeling Kapernicks have to be ignored or mocked before they decide change isn't going to come via rational discussion? Also, just how long do you believe the POC community has had an issue with with systemic problems? MLK had his dream in 1963, so it didn't start then...

I think you give CK too much credit. He protested while he was at his job, on national television, making a lot of money. And that's not to say he's done nothing since, but what has he done? Why hasn't he been out in the public, spearheading the movement? It's like he wanted to be a leader when he had a huge platform making a ton of money, but now, it's almost like he's just given up. Why hasn't he organized protests or marches? Why hasn't he fought harder for this cause he says he believes in? And I say this thinking about what people like MLK and Gandhi did for their causes. They were not content to just sit back. They acted. Nonviolently, but they acted. They didn't step aside and complain about how unfair life is, they went out and did something. If CK truly wants to be a leader in this movement, then he needs to lead. He already has a following, but he does nothing to use it to enact change.

 

[volfanjustin]

No change is needed. The issue has nothing to do with race. Sometimes bad people are put in positions they should never be in and sometimes good people will make mistakes. You can train people, preach, beg, and plead but s*** will always happen. Laws don’t prevent criminals from committing crime. Rules don’t keep teachers from screwing students, doesn’t prevent sexual harassment, etc.

They call for change yet way more whites are killed by cops. This ain’t a race issue it’s every now and then we will have bad cops and why do we continue to have bad cops, mainly due to police unions. This idiot would have been fired if it wasn’t for the democrat led police union. But the left will never ever blame the police union and we all know why

 

[BigOrangeD]

Great response:

 

[Septic]

MLK was ignored, mocked, arrested and beaten. He didn't quit or stoop to the same level of his detractors.

Change takes time, or revolution.

How much time is reasonable? Also as I pointed out earlier in this thread, MLK was an unarmed black man murdered by a white man before it was in style. I have no idea why people keep invoking him in this thread as some sort of peaceful protest kinda works rebuttal.

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[Weezer]

The thing is, if they do nothing at all - change won't come that way either.

I didn't suggest doing nothing. I said reasonably protest. Personally, I believe you win more hearts if you peacefully protest. But if you feel the need to act out, then at least direct it at those you are protesting, the police. You don't win hearts and minds attacking people who play no part in what you're protesting. Burning down businesses that serve the community, and killing innocent people does nothing to help the cause.

 

[hog88]

How much time is reasonable? Also as I pointed out earlier in this thread, MLK was an unarmed black man murdered by a white man before it was in style. I have no idea why people keep invoking him in this thread as some sort of peaceful protest kinda works rebuttal.

His methods worked, that is why he keeps getting brought up.

What does his murderer have to do with what he accomplished?

 

[volfanjustin]

This dumbass socialist needs to resign

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[Rickyvol77]

How many kneeling Kapernicks have to be ignored or mocked before they decide change isn't going to come via rational discussion? Also, just how long do you believe the POC community has had an issue with with systemic problems? MLK had his dream in 1963, so it didn't start then...

So we have to pay attention and support any nutjob and his political views? I guess the Unabomber and Columbine shooters were right to express their “not being heard” too?

 

[Septic]

I think you give CK too much credit. He protested while he was at his job, on national television, making a lot of money. And that's not to say he's done nothing since, but what has he done? Why hasn't he been out in the public, spearheading the movement? It's like he wanted to be a leader when he had a huge platform making a ton of money, but now, it's almost like he's just given up. Why hasn't he organized protests or marches? Why hasn't he fought harder for this cause he says he believes in? And I say this thinking about what people like MLK and Gandhi did for their causes. They were not content to just sit back. They acted. Nonviolently, but they acted. They didn't step aside and complain about how unfair life is, they went out and did something. If CK truly wants to be a leader in this movement, then he needs to lead. He already has a following, but he does nothing to use it to enact change.

I don't really gaf about CK. I simply used him as an example of convenience of peaceful protest where he was mocked and ridiculed. He used the platform he had as do many celebrities since no one cares if Willis kneels in government defiance in the back of his used tire shop in Anniston Alabama. Dance with who brung ya.

 

[Septic]

His methods worked, that is why he keeps getting brought up.

What does his murderer have to do with what he accomplished?

Did they? I mean, if you say so, though Arbery and Floyd may beg to differ.

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