2020 Presidential Race

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Vol737 said:
I’d be cool with Nikki Haley. I’ll say this though...the fact Trump whipped Hillary shows what a sh!++y candidate Hillary was. If Biden beats Trump, it will REALLY show us what a sh!++y candidate Hillary was.
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I think President Trump will be reelected in November and as of now a change in Vice Presidents would be a big surprise to me.
 
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carlos86 said:
We shall see.
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My company booked out almost the entirety of the MGM properties on the strip in Vegas for a conference. We pushed it to next year. Would have cancelled but they refused to give us back our $2 million dollar deposit. Conference was scheduled for end of August.
 
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GAVol said:
After last night, bet you'll start hearing murmurs about Keisha Bottoms as VP.
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Brother, the wife and I said the same thing as soon as she stepped off the podium on WSB. She was awesome.

Killer Mike did a pretty nice job too. T.I. was high AF tho!
 
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GAVol said:
After last night, bet you'll start hearing murmurs about Keisha Bottoms as VP.
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Seeing the push back against Bottoms suggestion that voting is a better idea than rioting is exhibit A for why we are where we are. I saw some response to the effect of "we tried voting, and it didn't work!!!"

Fact check, you didn't show up. We know, because we keep track of such things. 18-29 year olds in 2014 didn't even hit 20%.

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Seeing the push back against Bottoms suggestion that voting is a better idea than rioting is exhibit A for why we are where we are. I saw some response to the effect of "we tried voting, and it didn't work!!!"

Fact check, you didn't show up. We know, because we keep track of such things. 18-29 year olds in 2014 didn't even hit 20%.

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What is the solution? I have yet to hear of any legislative or policy solution other than Cornel West rage against capitalism. If the officer is guilty he goes to jail for a very long time. Simple as that.
 
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What is the solution? I have yet to hear of any legislative or policy solution other than Cornel West rage against capitalism. If the officer is guilty he goes to jail for a very long time. Simple as that.
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Are you asking me for the solution to the average American citizen's apathy to the voting rights won by those of all races, colors and creeds who stood in literal puddles of their own blood to fight for the freedom of future generations with their dying breaths?

Or are you asking for the solution to racial discord, institutional decay and indifference, and the malice in the hearts of those few in uniform who would rather harm than protect?

Either way, I feel honored that you hold me in such esteem as to be able to answer such weighty questions.

This will sound old-fashioned, but I believe the solution starts within each of us as citizens and not from above or outside institutions.

I was taught that rights come with an attendant set of responsibilities, and that if every person religiously observed their responsibilities we would gradually become a more perfect union re-shaped in the image of the many instead of a few elites.

Basically:

Support and defend the Constitution, which means you need to read it annually.

Try to understand the issues affecting your community, which means you need to know what is going now but also the history of where you live and how you got here.

Participate! Meaning at the very least every time you can vote you will vote. Working for candidates, issues, or volunteering to register voters or working the polls is also great, but there are many additional ways to positively participate in your community.

Always have respect and empathy for people who are different than you. This sounds easy, but it isn't and requires really imagining yourself in another's situation.

If you are called for a jury or god-forbid there is ever a draft, serve proudly and to your highest capability.

Not doing these things not only allows your sense of connection to your country to erode, but it also allows people to be put in power by those who are not aligned with your interests, and eventually the people in power will only have allegiance to the small cadre of activists and partisans who still participate.

By refusing to honor these obligations you make it far more likely that your rights will not be honored when it comes time for others to have their own obligations in regards to your rights.
 
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Rifleman said:
Are you asking me for the solution to the average American citizen's apathy to the voting rights won by those of all races, colors and creeds who stood in literal puddles of their own blood to fight for the freedom of future generations with their dying breaths?

Or are you asking for the solution to racial discord, institutional decay and indifference, and the malice in the hearts of those few in uniform who would rather harm than protect?

Either way, I feel honored that you hold me in such esteem as to be able to answer such weighty questions.

This will sound old-fashioned, but I believe the solution starts within each of us as citizens and not from above or outside institutions.

I was taught that rights come with an attendant set of responsibilities, and that if every person religiously observed their responsibilities we would gradually become a more perfect union re-shaped in the image of the many instead of a few elites.

Basically:

Support and defend the Constitution, which means you need to read it annually.

Try to understand the issues affecting your community, which means you need to know what is going now but also the history of where you live and how you got here.

Participate! Meaning at the very least every time you can vote you will vote. Working for candidates, issues, or volunteering to register voters or working the polls is also great, but there are many additional ways to positively participate in your community.

Always have respect and empathy for people who are different than you. This sounds easy, but it isn't and requires really imagining yourself in another's situation.

If you are called for a jury or god-forbid there is ever a draft, serve proudly and to your highest capability.

Not doing these things not only allows your sense of connection to your country to erode, but it also allows people to be put in power by those who are not aligned with your interests, and eventually the people in power will only have allegiance to the small cadre of activists and partisans who still participate.

By refusing to honor these obligations you make it far more likely that your rights will not be honored when it comes time for others have obligations in regards to those rights.
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First of all, no reason to be so chippy as I want to know the solutions to stop their rioting. As stated, all we have heard are empty words and no concrete solutions.

Voting would imply legislative changes as these cities are already under Dem leadership. What legislative changes would prevent the death?
 
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First of all, no reason to be so chippy as I want to know the objective of their rioting. As stated, all we have heard are empty words and no concrete solutions.
Yet still come up with nothing new to this racial issue other than ideals and not sure what draft and jury duty have to do with it.
Voting would imply legislative changes as these cities are already under Dem leadership. What legislative changes would prevent the death?
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My response was not intended to sound defensive as I believed your query to be sincere.

I do actually believe what I wrote, and my point is that I believe no effective legislation could pass in the current climate of apathy, polarization and disconnect from civic responsibility. To address just one part of these large questions without strengthening each citizen's tie to their responsibilities is like removing a tumor after the cancer cells have spread into the blood and lymph. If the Constitution is the immune system of our democracy, then citizens are the leukocytes that kill invading pathogens and keep the body healthy. Right now, many citizens in our clue-less social media world have literally "gone viral". Instead of defending the body they are being turned against it via conspiracies and partisan hate.

Madison-ian Democracy is built to be incredibly incremental, because it is built to withstand the dual threats of Tyranny and Revolution. Few today seem to understand the need for this inching forward carefully toward a more perfect union and they want immediate change, whether by Executive Orders or judicial fiat or craven conspiracies that wreck their enemies with no evidence. These people, whether in Congress or on the streets, give no thought toward what unintended consequences would be wrought by their perceived utopias.
 
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Rifleman said:
My response was not intended to sound defensive as I believed your query to be sincere.

I do actually believe what I wrote, and my point is that I believe no effective legislation could pass in the current climate of apathy, polarization and disconnect from civic responsibility. To address just one part of these large questions without strengthening each citizen's tie to their responsibilities is like removing a tumor after the cancer cells have spread into the blood and lymph. If the Constitution is the immune system of our democracy, then citizens are the leukocytes that kill invading pathogens and keep the body healthy. Right now, many citizens in our clue-less social media world have literally "gone viral". Instead of defending the body they are being turned against it via conspiracies and partisan hate.

Madison-ian Democracy is built to be incredibly incremental, because it is built to withstand the dual threats of Tyranny and Revolution. Few today seem to understand the need for this inching forward carefully toward a more perfect union and they want immediate change, whether by Executive Orders or judicial fiat or craven conspiracies that wreck their enemies with no evidence. These people, whether in Congress or on the streets, give no thought toward what unintended consequences would be wrought by their perceived utopias.
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Thanks. You are obviously an intellectual guy and I always appreciate your posts even when we disagree. I was actually agreeing with your OP about the lack of voting by these that want change, but cannot reconcile what could be legislatively done. We already have laws and the guy will go to prison and police departments will discuss and implement policy changes. That is all that can come out of all this violence in the short term until individuals change their hearts.
 
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