2020 Presidential Race

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BowlBrother85 said:
Should the President of the United States be emulating the media? Does that make it okay, to promote conspiracy theories, just because certain members of the media do? Shouldn't the President be held to a higher standard of conduct than the media? It is amazing how low the bar is for Trump's conduct. As long as Trump supporters can point to anyone else who behaves in a similar fashion, then in their minds, his own behavior is completely excusable.
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Huh. Sounds just like your posting history and whataboutism. I knew you were a Trumpster deep down. Your obsession gave you away.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
She didn't prosecute a guy who shot a man when that man pulled a shotgun... Then this happens FOURTEEN YEARS LATER.

Yeah. She basically chose to let Osama walk free. Lmao.
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It's a ridiculous notion that Klobuchar should be disqualified because of this. The modern left. Bunch of idiots.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Huh. Sounds just like your posting history and whataboutism. I knew you were a Trumpster deep down. Your obsession gave you away.
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It sounds like Trump's supporters understand that he is dishonest, hyper-sensitive, immature and egotistical, so they are never disappointed by him. The bar for Trump's conduct is so low, that it actually helps him. He can be a hypocrite. Trump was frequently critical of Barack Obama's executive orders, and he even went as far as to call them an abuse of power on Twitter. Trump also criticized Obama for playing golf during the Swine Flu epidemic in 2009. Trump supporters don't take him seriously when he gives ultimatums to governors and makes threats to withhold federal aid during a pandemic. However, Trump supporters certainly did interpret every statement that Barack Obama made literally, when he was president. Trump gets away with a lot of self-serving actions, because his supporters don't care... but those supporters will suddenly find their conscience and moral values again, once a democrat is president.

Basically, even Trump's supporters understand that is jackass and so they don't care when he acts like one.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It sounds like Trump's supporters understand that he is dishonest, hyper-sensitive, immature and egotistical, so they are never disappointed by him. The bar for Trump's conduct is so low, that it actually helps him. He can be a hypocrite. Trump was frequently critical of Barack Obama's executive orders, and he even went as far as to call them an abuse of power on Twitter. Trump also criticized Obama for playing golf during the Swine Flu epidemic in 2009. Trump supporters don't take him seriously when he gives ultimatums to governors and makes threats to withhold federal aid during a pandemic. However, Trump supporters certainly did interpret every statement that Barack Obama made literally, when he was president. Trump gets away with a lot of self-serving actions, because his supporters don't care... but those supporters will suddenly find their conscience and moral values again, once a democrat is president.

Basically, even Trump's supporters understand that is jackass and so they don't care when he acts like one.
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I love the whataboutism 180. You wear it well BB. Rock on!
 
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Ten_Titans said:
First of all is 24 a lot? Officers rarely get prosecuted in any jurisdiction in the country.

Second, what do his excessive force complaints have to do with that case? If he had so many complaints, he should have been fired. That wasn't her job.

He shot a guy who just got done stabbing some people and was pulling a shotgun. Better pop him for a bogus manslaughter charge because he had complaints.
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She was prosecutor from 1999 to 2007. The same cop who killed the guy last week barged into the wrong home of a black man, beat him and shot him and was not prosecuted. Klobuchar declined to bring charges in more than two dozen cases in which people were killed in encounters with police.

“At the same time, she aggressively prosecuted smaller offenses such as vandalism and routinely sought longer-than-recommended sentences, including for minors. Such prosecutions, done with the aim of curbing more serious crimes, have had mixed results and have been criticized for their disproportionate effect on poor and minority communities.”
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I love the whataboutism 180. You wear it well BB. Rock on!
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If your point is to show hypocrisy, then you have to use examples of what-about-ism. Donald Trump was very critical of Barack Obama's executive orders and government overreach into the private sector. It's easy to show how Trump is a hypocrite.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If your point is to show hypocrisy, then you have to use examples of what-about-ism. Donald Trump was very critical of Barack Obama's executive orders and government overreach into the private sector. It's easy to show how Trump is a hypocrite.
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Pot, meet kettle.
 
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DC_Vol said:
It’s not really the same because they win elections and the implementation of their ideas, or the lack thereof, face constant scrutiny.

When libertarians start winning elections that matter then they’ll have to make the same decisions and face similar scrutiny.

Look I’m not anti libertarian by any means, but it’s easy to say what you would have done different or how you wouldn’t compromise on xyz when you have no chance of winning.
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that's some really backwards thinking. And it doesnt really hold up.

Because it's not outside pressure making them change. We are so partisan right now most bills dont even attempt to align with any ideas. The closest we have seen was the Green New Deal and even the Ds were attacking that. You either toe the party line or nothing gets done, see Amash. With that type of support you would think the only things that got thru would be the bills that align with the partys ideas.

Instead you are actively arguing for a system that you know is lying to you, but at least they somewhat tried at some point in the vaguely defined past.

The only logical outcome to the situation you proposed is that all the incumbents would learn they arent going to get their ideas thru, and would shift their stances to align with what they actually do. But again we dont see a bunch of "moderates". We see a bunch of two faced liars talking out of both sides of their mouths, and we the people fight to defend "our side" from the "other" despite all the times they have stabbed us in the back.

Something should give in this situation, either the party lines, or the ideas. And we havent seen either. We have politicians who would rather protect the party than serve the people. It's why I have no idea why most of this board fights daily battles for a group of people that doesnt even represent them. And instead of fixing the situation we get arguments like yours, "why try", or "at least it wasnt a D/R that screwed us this time". Like getting railroaded by one party over the other somehow makes it better.
 
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Orangeburst said:
What I do not understand is the belief that a third or more party will solve our problems. Last time I looked the European or Israeli model is as much or more a mess as our system. You cannot rule such a vast nation with diverging interests without clamor and the liberal interest in massive national mandates only exacerbates the problem. We need less federalism, not more.
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My ideal situation would be to kill the partys off. In this day and age they serve no purpose. Voters can easily look up who they are voting for now. And I think if they actually bothered they would be horrified who they have been pulling the lever for and we would get rid of the worst.

And with no brand loyalty you wouldnt have people electing child rapists in Alabama, racists in Virginia, and so on and so forth. Make them run on their own merits.
 
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If Biden is elected, will he just give everything over to China since it makes us stronger to? I guess it would be business as usual. China will continue taking jobs and undercutting our currency without any resistance. I don't see Biden standing up for any American jobs
 
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The Biden campaign is nearing putting the kibosh on Klobuchar and replacing her is ‪Rep. Val Demings‬, congresswomen from Florida and former Orlando Police Chief. But she won’t make it past vetting because as Chief her department had a long record of excessive-force allegations and a lack of transparency dating from prior to and throughout her tenure as chief. From 2010 to 2014, the department paid out more than $3.3 million in damages in at least 47 lawsuits alleging false arrest, excessive force, and other complaints.
 
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