Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[ndubvols]

I side with the players here.

If the company I work for has been making substantial profits for the past 10+ years tried to renegotiate my salary based on one year of losses I’d be pretty upset. No bonuses etc. sure, but any well run organization that’s been bringing in substantial profits for an extended period of time should be able to weather one down year without cutting pay across the board.

Organizations have been doing well, with essentially no risk for an extended period of time. Once they see a little risk, they’re seeing the need to pass it down across the organization?

Plus, if the owners play this right they could boost their income for the foreseeable future by increasing viewership and fans of the game. The vast majority of players won’t have the ability to capitalize on this, because I’m sure the owners won’t want to renegotiate contracts if revenues are up as a result of increased attendance/viewers.

 

[jakez4ut]

soccer and baseball.

damn you corona. damn you.

 

[RiotVol]

So, after medical evaluation it appears that high dose Vitamin D has no effect on COVID-19 prevention or treatment. However, an increased number of Vitamin D toxicity cases are being reported. (In the UK)

Also of note, mask preventing COVID-19 infection is down to approximately 50% success. (Was reported at 75% previously)

Just reporting what I just read in medical updates. Not my opinion, please don’t attack me

Please don't run this guy off, y'all. He's responsible for approximately a third of my "likes."

 

[RikidyBones]

Please don't run this guy off, y'all. He's responsible for approximately a third of my "likes."

two days after the post of course.

 

[bignewt]

So, after medical evaluation it appears that high dose Vitamin D has no effect on COVID-19 prevention or treatment. However, an increased number of Vitamin D toxicity cases are being reported. (In the UK)

Also of note, mask preventing COVID-19 infection is down to approximately 50% success. (Was reported at 75% previously)

Just reporting what I just read in medical updates. Not my opinion, please don’t attack me

Then there is is this

Vitamin D levels appear to play role in COVID-19 mortality rates: Patients with severe deficiency are twice as likely to experience major complications

 

[camkil19]

A thought just occurred to me. More than half the population have never been alive for a Georgia National championship. If the majority didn’t even see happen then can we just pretend it didn’t.

 

[MarcoVol]

if i were an MLB player making $50m a year or whatever, my GAF level would be stuck on zero. lol.

Average mlb career is 5.6 years. Owners gonna make that paper for decades. I think you’d GAF in this situation. I think you’d give a lot of Fs

 

[delfonic]

The MLB owners and players union can both be greedy. You don't have to side with one or the other.
Some particularly unmotivated players (assuming they aren't fitness/practice junkies) will be making significantly as much as I'll make in my lifetime this year for taking 4 to 8 at bats 60 or so nights this year.

Owners have been pocketing the upside for years and now they want to saddle the players with the downside. They suck too.

Everyone sucks and I'd be thrilled to change positions with any single one of them because I suck too. I am very jealous.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Then there is is this

Vitamin D levels appear to play role in COVID-19 mortality rates: Patients with severe deficiency are twice as likely to experience major complications

It does state in that article that you don’t need to push vitamin D on everybody though. It is more talking about immunodeficient people yes?

 

[jakez4ut]

A thought just occurred to me. More than half the population have never been alive for a Georgia National championship. If the majority didn’t even see happen then can we just pretend it didn’t.

i do it every day for like 12 of Bama's supposed titles. so yes.

 

[jakez4ut]

Average mlb career is 5.6 years. Owners gonna make that paper for decades. I think you’d GAF in this situation. I think you’d give a lot of Fs

eh. owners own. players play. err'body loaded....including me. so probably not.....

it's not, or it shouldn't be, an owners v. players deal anyway. like it's brand new informaiton owners of sports franchises aren't uber rich, and have been, and will be.........it's not like it's the goal of the player to make the same or more than the owners. or even close the gap between the two....so why would i gaf about how much the owner makes? if that's the primary motivating factor in all this, then it's even dumber.

Owners always made more, will make more, than me as a player.....all i know is, i'm set for life....never have to worry about money again, and neither will at least a couple generations of my familiy after me either.

this, to me, is like everythign else related to corona....circumstance/situation should dictate. but nobody gets that....

it's just dumb that this is even an issue................

 

[butchna]

they have a union. Also the proposal is on a sliding scale, the lower salaried players lose much less than the big dogs. I will continue to call the union GREEDY, thanks though.

Seems to be on an organization to organization basis but Oakland’s owner is worth 2 billion and this happened.
Oakland A's: We shouldn’t have expected better from owner

 

[BigOrangeGoose]

Happy birthday aight

 

[bignewt]

Seems to be on an organization to organization basis but Oakland’s owner is worth 2 billion and this happened.
Oakland A's: We shouldn’t have expected better from owner

Yeah he is his own level of trash.

 

[VolGee4]

And it’s a great point you made

The billionaires need to take the brunt of the hit

I’m not sure I’ve ever understood this thinking. The owners are the reason the players have jobs- just like any other business. Sure, there is some give and take on both sides, and some owners will be more generous. But they became wealthy because they figured out how not to lose money. This is not really unusual in the business world.

 

[MarcoVol]

eh. owners own. players play. err'body loaded....including me. so probably not.....

it's not, or it shouldn't be, an owners v. players deal anyway. like it's brand new informaiton owners of sports franchises aren't uber rich, and have been, and will be.........it's not like it's the goal of the player to make the same or more than the owners. or even close the gap between the two....so why would i gaf about how much the owner makes? if that's the primary motivating factor in all this, then it's even dumber.

Owners always made more, will make more, than me as a player.....all i know is, i'm set for life....never have to worry about money again, and neither will at least a couple generations of my familiy after me either.

this, to me, is like everythign else related to corona....circumstance/situation should dictate. but nobody gets that....

it's just dumb that this is even an issue................

I admit, I’m pro-player in basically everything. Includes all sports.

College players should be paid.
Minor leaguers should make more.
Owners should take the losses.

You get the point.

 

[jakez4ut]

Seems to be on an organization to organization basis but Oakland’s owner is worth 2 billion and this happened.
Oakland A's: We shouldn’t have expected better from owner

that guy sucks. but isn't that a symptom of MLB in general? owners just owning to make a buck, not be competitive organizations? feel like there's way too many franchises that fit that description than those actually trying to compete.

anyway, what this guy is doing goes beyond the basis of what was being talked about here...which is 'which rich demographic has it tougher?'....

 

[jakez4ut]

I admit, I’m pro-player in basically everything. Includes all sports.

College players should be paid.
Minor leaguers should make more.
Owners should take the losses.

You get the point.

i'm not against the players. and im not for the owners.

i just think there should be a line of demarcation about what probelms are really...problems.

and a baseball player making $50m.....he's making ish up if he's got a problem w/only making $50m while the owner's got a "b" next to his income.

cry me a river.

 

[Ryno14]

Pay this guy whatever he wants

 

[Brillovol]

I admit, I’m pro-player in basically everything. Includes all sports.

College players should be paid.
Minor leaguers should make more.
Owners should take the losses.

You get the point.

If #3 happens, #1 and #2 don’t happen. Simple economics.

 

[VolGee4]

I side with the players here.

If the company I work for has been making substantial profits for the past 10+ years tried to renegotiate my salary based on one year of losses I’d be pretty upset. No bonuses etc. sure, but any well run organization that’s been bringing in substantial profits for an extended period of time should be able to weather one down year without cutting pay across the board.

Organizations have been doing well, with essentially no risk for an extended period of time. Once they see a little risk, they’re seeing the need to pass it down across the organization?

Plus, if the owners play this right they could boost their income for the foreseeable future by increasing viewership and fans of the game. The vast majority of players won’t have the ability to capitalize on this, because I’m sure the owners won’t want to renegotiate contracts if revenues are up as a result of increased attendance/viewers.

I don’t compare this situation to one year of losses. If the team stinks and loses money, then the owner eats it. This is a case where you wouldn’t be working half the time as an employee AND the owner knows several of his income streams will be missing for a while. The owner could let you go in an at will state. It’s unfortunate, but it’s the business world.

I do agree with your last paragraph though. The owners could eat a little more, and there is opportunity to put baseball in the spotlight and grow the game.

 

[delfonic]

If #3 happens, #1 and #2 don’t happen. Simple economics.

The nuance here is that this is the first year of losses after a decade of rising revenues.

Revenues are up, player salaries are down.

2020 happens.

That's the context of #3.

The economics in that context are not so simple.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don’t compare this situation to one year of losses. If the team stinks and loses money, then the owner eats it. This is a case where you wouldn’t be working half the time as an employee AND the owner knows several of his income streams will be missing for a while. The owner could let you go in an at will state. It’s unfortunate, but it’s the business world.

I do agree with your last paragraph though. The owners could eat a little more, and there is opportunity to put baseball in the spotlight and grow the game.

half the MLB owners don't give a crap about that. they're only purpose in owning a franchise is to make money. not make baseball great or even compete....just put something out there that can generate TV revenue, ad revenue, sell some tickets, merchandise, concessions, parking etc.....whatever they can make a dime off of.

there's only a very select few franchises, imo, that are truly in it to compete.............past that, who gaf.

 

[butchna]

that guy sucks. but isn't that a symptom of MLB in general? owners just owning to make a buck, not be competitive organizations? feel like there's way too many franchises that fit that description than those actually trying to compete.

anyway, what this guy is doing goes beyond the basis of what was being talked about here...which is 'which rich demographic has it tougher?'....

They’re billionaires for a reason...they don’t give away money, but these kind of moves shows some don’t even care to present a terrible image. Not to mention failing as humans. I’m not 100% siding with rich ball players who can’t play for anything less than 100% compensation, but not going with stuffed suits who’ve never adjusted those strained belts since the 90’s at least. What’s not been brought up is what not playing this season does to some players service time...i.e free agency time clock.

 

[jakez4ut]

They’re billionaires for a reason...they don’t give away money, but these kind of moves shows some don’t even care to present a terrible image. Not to mention failing as humans. I’m not 100% siding with rich ball players who can’t play for anything less than 100% compensation, but not going with stuffed suits who’ve never adjusted those strained belts since the 90’s at least. What’s not been brought up is what not playing this season does to some players service time...i.e free agency time clock.

i don't disagree with any of that. i just hate the presentation of htis as if the players are being made to suffer, while the fat cat owners sit on high laughing at hte peasants (which they're doing of course).

if you want to get me interested in who's suffering, and who should be compensated from a sports franchise standpoint, it's gonna be the hot dog vendors or the souvenier vendors or the janitors that work in the staidum etc......while these yahoos fight over this, these people are the ones that actually need that help.

and your guy fisher...man, he's a peach in that department.........oof. that dude sucks.