Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[rjd970]

Pj is a libertarian. That's about is about as anti-social . . .(ist) as you can get.

I know - @SpaceCoastVol needs to pony up some evidence of PJ's socialist beliefs or just admit that he threw a label on somebody simply because they disagreed on something.

I normally don't care, but this is a microcosm of the partisan stupidity on this board and would genuinely be interested into the reasoning of SpaceCoastVol here.

 

[utvolpj]

Pj is a libertarian. That's about is about as anti-social . . .(ist) as you can get.

Well last week I was a marxist so...

 

[volbeast33]

Had they not shut down when they did I have no doubt they would have needed ICU overflow....whether they could have achieved that in their normal hospital rooms, just converted, I don't know. I think it is clear our initial estimates on how many hospitalizations there would be for every death we ultimately had were just too high.

Was it ever truly shut down? Lowe’s, Home Depot, Hobby Lobby, wal Mart, and all the grocery stores looked like Christmas time.....people were still getting together with family and friends.... The roads were packed full of people..... I’m sure it had an effect but I think it made the difference between 5 deaths to needing over flow icu units.

 

[Carl Pickens]

For those who favor the loosening of social distancing requirements, here's what Texas is looking like as of yesterday.

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How many more are being tested?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

 

[utvolpj]

How many more are being tested?

Stop it. Numbers are scary

 

[Carl Pickens]

For those who favor the loosening of social distancing requirements, here's what Texas is looking like as of yesterday.

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Here is TN..... looks like we’re all gonna die

 

[Carl Pickens]

Stop it. Numbers are scary

We can’t run and hide forever

 

[TennTradition]

Was it ever truly shut down? Lowe’s, Home Depot, Hobby Lobby, wal Mart, and all the grocery stores looked like Christmas time.....people were still getting together with family and friends.... The roads were packed full of people..... I’m sure it had an effect but I think it made the difference between 5 deaths to needing over flow icu units.

I'm sorry - I thought you were referring to the Javits center in NYC.

 

[TennTradition]

For those who favor the loosening of social distancing requirements, here's what Texas is looking like as of yesterday.

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I think that we can agree these daily new cases cannot be viewed as a single volume stat alone.

We have to be careful with the whistle here.

Blow it for no reason, and folks won't bother listening when you actually need to blow it.

 

[McDad]

Well last week I was a marxist so...

wish you'd make up your mind.

 

[utvolpj]

wish you'd make up your mind.

I like to keep everyone guessing

 

[volbeast33]

I'm sorry - I thought you were referring to the Javits center in NYC.

No.... the Knoxville expo center

 

[TennTradition]

We can’t run and hide forever

There's an odd "machismo" with the "run and hide" line of thought.

I didn't view quarantines as people living in fear or running and hiding. There might be some who feel that way but generally I think that it is more about public health and managing an epidemic.

There is fear. I acknowledge that. There is also fear from folks who are losing their businesses or are out of work. It's all legitimate.

Ideally there would be an easy math equation to solve. Economic impact of continuing quarantine vs. not, then go when there isn't a benefit. But there isn't. Tons of unknown and livelihoods at risk.

What I do know is that I'm completely against the idea of keeping things locked down "just in case." When the data - when viewed with clarity and trusted based on sufficient testing / good data collection - says that active cases are driving low, there is no reason to wait. There will be economic consequences and lives lost for going back too early - but there also are for waiting too long.

We could do with less finger pointing. Less digging in the heels and seeking the party line. It's disappointing.

 

[Septic]

I believe Democrat governors are showing to be the most oppressive.

Not just Democrats but yeah... that stands to reason as they aren't really the ones who need to bend the knee to Trump in order to get the re-election blessing.

 

[volbeast33]

Do you think this is as of a result of the social distancing and shutdowns or would this have been the case irrespective of the governments distancing and shutdown mandates?

Have you been out in Knoxville? I don’t know if that would qualify as social distancing

 

[Septic]

History will not look kindly on the times in which we live.

To be fair, a lot of folks have been saying that since about January 2016.

 

[Sandman 423]

I just got the best news about the pandemic. Our local Chinese restaurant is open !!!

 

[Septic]

Have you been out in Knoxville? I don’t know if that would qualify as social distancing

now or then?

I haven't been to knoxvegas in a few years.

 

[Carl Pickens]

There's an odd "machismo" with the "run and hide" line of thought.

I didn't view quarantines as people living in fear or running and hiding. There might be some who feel that way but generally I think that it is more about public health and managing an epidemic.

There is fear. I acknowledge that. There is also fear from folks who are losing their businesses or are out of work. It's all legitimate.

Ideally there would be an easy math equation to solve. Economic impact of continuing quarantine vs. not, then go when there isn't a benefit. But there isn't. Tons of unknown and livelihoods at risk.

What I do know is that I'm completely against the idea of keeping things locked down "just in case." When the data - when viewed with clarity and trusted based on sufficient testing / good data collection - says that active cases are driving low, there is no reason to wait. There will be economic consequences and lives lost for going back too early - but there also are for waiting too long.

We could do with less finger pointing. Less digging in the heels and seeking the party line. It's disappointing.

It is and from what I’ve read there’s no way to avoid the spreading of covid.... herd immunity may be the best answer.... I don’t know. My comment wasn’t based on machismo.... while I’m not scared of the virus it’s still kind of creepy going out in public.
However, it’s not going away.... but the economy is

 

[TennTradition]

No.... the Knoxville expo center

Yeah - I don't think with the population density in Knoxville that there was any way it would be needed with quarantine. Without? I don't know. Haven't looked closely enough at the numbers, but I wouldn't say it was a certainty it would be needed without doing some modeling.

As for - did Knoxville quarantine at all? I don't have data for Knoxville specifically.

These data say that TN in general did - but not as much as Nashville, for example. During the peak of the quarantine from mid-March to Easter, they were fairly similar. The difference since then is much more drastic.

Tennessee:



Nashville:

 

[McDad]

I just got the best news about the pandemic. Our local Chinese restaurant is open !!!

I'm gonna eat about 50 pounds of Sushi once I can find a place open and not packed to the gills with fatties like me.

 

[TennTradition]

It is and from what I’ve read there’s no way to avoid the spreading of covid.... herd immunity may be the best answer.... I don’t know. My comment wasn’t based on machismo.... while I’m not scared of the virus it’s still kind of creepy going out in public.
However, it’s not going away.... but the economy is

Even with herd immunity, people can be infected - you just won't have an epidemic. Good news with that is that is that you have a low number of cases at all times. And that means low probability of becoming infected. And eventually you'd expect it to die down to very small numbers everywhere. Vaccine obviously is great is safe because it gets you there without all the deaths along the way. Because all herd immunity without a vaccine means is that you've followed your full death curve. And I think your point about not being able to stop the spread until then is probably right. It is too rooted now. If we drive numbers low here and then carefully monitor, we might be able to keep this thing from blowing up again (and then we get a vaccine). That'd be awesome. Sounds like some of the top public health officials doubt that.

 

[Wireless1]

Do you think this is as of a result of the social distancing and shutdowns or would this have been the case irrespective of the governments distancing and shutdown mandates?

Personally I think the only extraordinary measure were required for nursing home, with heightened awareness those at high risk and for the rest of us. We probably would have more hospitalizations, possibly a few more "shortened" lives. but millions fewer lost work hours and Trillions fewer dollars of debt.

 

[0nelilreb]

I'm gonna eat about 50 pounds of Sushi once I can find a place open and not packed to the gills with fatties like me.

You can save yourself a lot of money by just going out and catching fish “ bait” from the creek .

Edit : I’ve tried really hard to like it . I’ve had it from coast to coast , I just can’t .