Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[RavinDave]

This is the first time I have heard of a German intelligence agency doing anything of note in my lifetime and probably since WWII.

Maybe because they don’t leak like a sieve?

 

[allvol123]

Where's the acceptable break even on deaths versus lost jobs?

Whatever it is, we havent come close to it on the death side.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Sorry but a 2 month shutdown of the worlds economy is not a common sense measure. We also unburdened the Healthcare system so much that a large number of doctors and nurses got laid off. Solid work

A two month shut down is one of two things IMO:
1) stupidity
2) agenda driven

 

[NurseGoodVol]

That would be no different than an what most of these countries with socialized medicine do when they determine f someone is worth treating.

At what age should you stop people from receiving organ transplants?

70, and we have guidelines that are age related for other things like therapeutic hypothermia. It could change if they are healthy other than the presenting problem.

 

[RavinDave]

That’s not what he was saying. I believe he was saying CA buys a lot of electricity from TX and other states because they cannot produce enough in state.

Pretty difficult to build any new industrial infrastructure in CA if their needs can be imported from other states or it doesn’t involve a “green” technology like dairy farm methane or landfill gas. They are eat up with NIMBY.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

After a point the tanking economy causes more deaths than the virus. If we had protected the vulnerable and let producers do their thing it would have been better. But we couldn't do that because a minimum of 2 million were going to die and anyone who disagreed wanted people to die

They are already limiting the amount of meat you can buy in Wal-Mart in Norfolk. This is going to become a bloody mess from shutting down. The food chain gets interrupted too long there will be problems.

 

[Orangeburst]

Maybe because they don’t leak like a sieve?

Molecular?

 

[RavinDave]

Molecular?

Stainless steel mesh for example, like one might use to drain pasta? But you knew that.

 

[TheDeeble]

Sorry but a 2 month shutdown of the worlds economy is not a common sense measure. We also unburdened the Healthcare system so much that a large number of doctors and nurses got laid off. Solid work

And changed nothing long term because it wasn't a solution. There is no vaccine and the threat of catching coronavirus still exists today and will exist for probably the rest of the year at least.

I'm still surprised people thought shutting everything down and telling everyone to stay home was the best option. And that there are people that think that practice should continue for longer.

 

[evillawyer]

So about a 1.25% fatality rate for the "middle-agers" who catch it, unless I'm doing the math wrong. That assumes the 20% infected rate is the same for that age group.

 

[TennTradition]

Wouldn't their nursing home percentage be lower because of the out of control nature of the virus in the rest of their population compared to the rest of the country? Seems you are giving them credit for having a worse infection rate and response in the rest of their population that made the nursing home percentage lower in comparison.

I think that the data suggest NY's nursing home situation isn't a murder field related to other states that were also hard-hit by the virus. Fact is this population bears the brunt - and not just because they are old, but due to their inability to quarantine from staff that circulate the facilities and are exposed to the outside and inside infected foks, I'm sure.

I spent some time this morning going through census data for demographics and nursing care facility populations. Note that I don't know what is fully included in the "nursing care facility" per census - obviously nursing homes, but I assume also long-term care facilities?

I calculated your risk of dying (so far) in a nursing home as nursing home deaths / nursing care facility population.

I also calculated your risk of dying (so far) as a 75+ year old person in that state (assuming this is a reasonable estimate for over half of nursing home populations and also the most at risk of dying in a nursing home outbreak).

I called the ratio your relative risk in a nursing home in that state (how many times more likely to die). Note that this isn't 100% accurate as it wasn't just 75+ year old people dying in nursing homes. I also looked at 65+ to evaluate this. It is also below.

I understand the basic issue of "if you don't have a lot of deaths in your state and you have some nursing home outbreaks, then it is going to skew your nursing home death percentage." And, you actually see that with Delaware, IMO - a state with only about 200 total deaths but over half of them from nursing homes. Rhode Island is similar. But when you get into thousands of deaths like these other states - I think it becomes meaningful.

Here is a table of the results for risk relative to non-nursing home 75+ population and then for non-nursing home 65+ population.

 

[1972 Grad]

70, and we have guidelines that are age related for other things like therapeutic hypothermia. It could change if they are healthy other than the presenting problem.

Uh oh! Looks like I'm up sh!t creek if I need an organ.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

 

[evillawyer]

 

[Volsfaninva917]

So we're locking down to protect the vulnerable, right?

https://www.latimes.com/california/...l-profits?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Orangeburst]

Uh oh! Looks like I'm up sh!t creek if I need an organ.

You have a monkey and thinking of becoming an organ grinder......Booooo.

 

[utvolpj]

We could only hope for 10% at this point. Ours is much higher and may not drop for a while

 

[evillawyer]

We could only hope for 10% at this point. Ours is much higher and may not drop for a while

Although Sweden's death count is still much higher than neighboring countries (even when adjusted for population), it is probably LOWER than it would be if everyone else had followed their model. To some extent, their results probably free-load off of other nations' more severe lockdown measures.

 

[newyorkvol]

Take the Shutdown Skeptics Seriously — The Atlantic

Pretty well balanced article.

 

[utvolpj]

Although Sweden's death count is still much higher than neighboring countries (even when adjusted for population), it is probably LOWER than it would be if everyone else had followed their model. To some extent, their results probably free-load off of other nations' more severe lockdown measures.

You used "probably" twice which is not supported by anything you've posted. What is supported is that a lockdown in the US led to 50% higher ue rate.

 

[TennTradition]

They are already limiting the amount of meat you can buy in Wal-Mart in Norfolk. This is going to become a bloody mess from shutting down. The food chain gets interrupted too long there will be problems.

The food supply chain was trying not to shut down - but meat plants seem to be having a hard time avoiding the virus. From an occupational health standpoint, what are the responsibilities/liabilities of these companies?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

The food supply chain was trying not to shut down - but meat plants seem to be having a hard time avoiding the virus. From an occupational health standpoint, what are the responsibilities/liabilities of these companies?

They can't make people come to work but certainly I would let those work that want too and provide them with protection and distancing. They wouldn't function at 100% but some production is better than none.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Hospitals can’t discharge coronavirus patients to nursing homes: Gov. Cuomo

Patients in New York hospitals must now test negative for the coronavirus before they can be discharged to nursing homes, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday — partially reversing a policy that forced sickened seniors into facilities housing those most vulnerable.

“We’re just not going to send a person who is positive to a nursing home after a hospital visit,” said Cuomo during an Albany press briefing. “Period.”

The ruling partially overrides a controversial March 25 order that nursing homes cannot deny admission or readmission on the basis of a positive or suspected COVID-19 case.

That policy has been roundly criticized as counterintuitive for forcing coronavirus carriers into nursing homes, even as Cuomo has repeatedly acknowledged that seniors are among those most susceptible to the virus.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/hospitals-cant-discharge-coronavirus-patients-to-nursing-homes-cuomo/

 

[TennTradition]

They can't make people come to work but certainly I would let those work that want too and provide them with protection and distancing. They wouldn't function at 100% but some production is better than none.

Apparently that’s one of the tough things about meat plants. At least some of the lines are shoulder to shoulder apparently.

 

[Vol737]

Maybe warmer weather in the south having a positive impact based on latest stats from GA and FLA.