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evillawyer said:
A participant in the re-open protest in NC.

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Its not loaded for certain and it also appears to be a replica. However this is what I'm talking about, retards like this on both sides bring all the attention on themselves and away from the task at hand. This is why I say all protest is dumb
 
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TennTradition said:
Let me get this straight - 33% of nationwide deaths are in nursing homes or long-term care facilities. But New York State is really screwing it up because 20% of their deaths are in these facilities?
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Wouldn't their nursing home percentage be lower because of the out of control nature of the virus in the rest of their population compared to the rest of the country? Seems you are giving them credit for having a worse infection rate and response in the rest of their population that made the nursing home percentage lower in comparison.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
He's saying if Texas decides to sell their surplus energy they'll overtake Californias economy. I replied they are going to have to sell over a trillion dollars worth of it. (per year)
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No, that’s not what I’m saying. California’s electricity infrastructure can’t meet demand. So the state has to buy surplus generated power, mostly from Texas. Imagine what rolling brownouts would do to the California economy if they happened every day, all year.

California’s water infrastructure is in pretty bad shape, too.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Wouldn't their nursing home percentage be lower because of the out of control nature of the virus in the rest of their population compared to the rest of the country? Seems you are giving them credit for having a worse infection rate and response in the rest of their population that made the nursing home percentage lower in comparison.
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I thought through that some but couldn’t make sense of that line of thought.

Higher active cases in population just mean higher probability it spreads into nursing home. Is there a reason we should expect outbreaks to only enter nursing homes in other states but not kill older people in the general population? If the crisis in New York were caused by wanton disregard for nursing homes, I would have expected more of their deaths to be from them. New Jersey has has seen 4,800 nursing home or LT care facility deaths. Massachusetts has seen 2800. Pennsylvania 2500. Yes New York leads those states - but overall it leads them by more than that ratio in the general population. Over half of NJ’s deaths (4800 vs 5300 in NY) have been in these facilities. But I haven’t heard the rhetoric of their gross mismanagement of nursing homes. Well over half of MA’s 4800 total deaths came from these facilities. Point is when infections are running high across your state it is very difficult to keep them out of nursing homes. I’m not seeing where NY seems that much less successful of that than other states relative to the scale of their outbreak.

I can’t quite see that argument that NY is inflating numbers by mismanaging nursing homes when the probability of dying in a nursing vs dying outside of one was lower in NY than other states.
 
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TennTradition said:
I thought through that some but couldn’t make sense of that line of thought.

Higher active cases in population just mean higher probability it spreads into nursing home. Is there a reason we should expect outbreaks to only enter nursing homes in other states but not kill older people in the general population? If the crisis in New York were caused by wanton disregard for nursing homes, I would have expected more of their deaths to be from them. New Jersey has has seen 4,800 nursing home or LT care facility deaths. Massachusetts has seen 2800. Pennsylvania 2500. Yes New York leads those states - but overall it leads them by more than that ratio in the general population.

I can’t quite see that argument that NY is inflating numbers by mismanaging nursing homes when the probability of dying in a nursing vs dying outside of one was lower in NY than other states.
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Simple case of a larger denominator to reach your percentages. When the average population has the virus in larger quantities and percentages, the percentage of nursing home infections is somewhat muted. I just think more people in their population with the virus pushes down the calculated percentage in nursing homes.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Simple case of a larger denominator to reach your percentages. When the average population has the virus in larger quantities and percentages, the percentage of nursing home infections is somewhat muted. I just think more people in their population with the virus pushes down the calculated percentage in nursing homes.
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I added some additional figures to my post. I mean just look at NJ.

I’m still having a hard time with your argument. I mean I understand it. I get the math. But deaths tend to just reflect how widespread infection is. The probability of making contact with someone infected scales with the percentage infected. More chances to get it into a nursing home means means more nursing home infections.

I’ll think on this some more but from the data I think I’d much rather have been in a nursing home in New York than in NJ or MA. I’m trying to find data on total patients in these facilities by state to better understand odds of dying. But I have no doubt it ended up being more dangerous in NJ than in NY.
 
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MG1968 said:
No, that’s not what I’m saying. California’s electricity infrastructure can’t meet demand. So the state has to buy surplus generated power, mostly from Texas. Imagine what rolling brownouts would do to the California economy if they happened every day, all year.

California’s water infrastructure is in pretty bad shape, too.
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Sounds like Baghdad.
 
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"Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it. Two senior administration officials said the discussion was not heated.

“There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx said

As deaths mount, Trump tries to convince Americans it’s safe to inch back to normal
 
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Orangeburst said:
"Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it. Two senior administration officials said the discussion was not heated.

“There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx said

As deaths mount, Trump tries to convince Americans it’s safe to inch back to normal
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Weird how this administration seems to work so diligently at undermining every agency or source that doesn't toe the line. Seems like nothing is a problem up until it desires the narrative it can't have, then they don't trust it.

Pretty soon it will be the medias fault, or have we come full circle on that yet already?

Maybe Trump can just force Barr to exonerate COVID-19 and we can call it a day.
 
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Septic said:
Weird how this administration seems to work so diligently at undermining every agency or source that doesn't toe the line. Seems like nothing is a problem up until it desires the narrative it can't have, then they don't trust it.

Pretty soon it will be the medias fault, or have we come full circle on that yet already?

Maybe Trump can just force Barr to exonerate COVID-19 and we can call it a day.
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In fairness does it not occur to you that government agencies are inefficient and actually do shoddy work sometimes driven by self budget concerns
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
In fairness does it not occur to you that government agencies are inefficient and actually do shoddy work sometimes driven by self budget concerns
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I don't think the white house is immune to the criticism of shoddy work and inefficiency. If that's the argument, it's the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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Septic said:
Weird how this administration seems to work so diligently at undermining every agency or source that doesn't toe the line. Seems like nothing is a problem up until it desires the narrative it can't have, then they don't trust it.

Pretty soon it will be the medias fault, or have we come full circle on that yet already?

Maybe Trump can just force Barr to exonerate COVID-19 and we can call it a day.
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What’s weird is not questioning agencies like the CDC and FDA continuously about their programs and just keep pouring those federal funds into them like good little government monkeys .
 
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0nelilreb said:
What’s weird is not questioning agencies like the CDC and FDA continuously about their programs and just keep pouring those federal funds into them like good little government monkeys .
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Sep taking up for the bureaucracy. I was just pointing out Dr Birx statement that she agrees.
 
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0nelilreb said:
What’s weird is not questioning agencies like the CDC and FDA continuously about their programs and just keep pouring those federal funds into them like good little government monkeys .
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You mean more oversight? I don't think anyone would disagree with tax payers money being used efficiently. Perhaps working with them instead of undermining them in times of public crisis would be a more pragmatic approach.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Sep taking up for the bureaucracy. I was just pointing out Dr Birx statement that she agrees.
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No, just pointing out that it's ironic that the WH seems to be the only thing our government touches that you guys think is firing on all cylinders.

Birx seems to be cut from the same cloth as Barr, clearly she needs the job more than Fauci.
 
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Septic said:
You mean more oversight? I don't think anyone would disagree with tax payers money being used efficiently. Perhaps working with them instead of undermining them in times of public crisis would be a more pragmatic approach.
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What oversight ? You mean what was supposed to be taking place BEFORE the job they were supposed to be doing ? The CDC doesn’t need to be funded to study the diets of indigenous peoples and how it relates to their health . It’s a black hole for federal studies and funds . Lol @ oversight
 
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0nelilreb said:
What oversight ? You mean what was supposed to be taking place BEFORE the job they were supposed to be doing ? The CDC doesn’t need to be funded to study the diets of indigenous peoples and how it relates to their health . It’s a black hole for federal studies and funds . Lol @ oversight
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Maybe you should apply for the job to make sure that the CDC only studies what are important to you.

If the head of the CDC isn't doing his job, perhaps we should question the person who chose him to do it.
 
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