Will there be football in 2020?

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DaddyChad said:
I hope you’re right but classes and cramming 100k people into a stadium are two different animals. You can do classes with some semblance of protection
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Really? Enclosed, confined space for an hour, then let’s all switch rooms so that we interact with another group in an enclosed confined space while a new group enter my previous enclosed confined space. And let’s do this ring around the rosy 4 days a week ( no student has classes all 5 days any more)
 
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vol9799 said:
A permit for 50k people on the sidewalks of city streets looking at their phones? That sounds like every large city in the US on a "normal" day. Contrary to what some believe, protests don't require placards, bull-horns and civil disobedience. One of the most effective protests in modern TN history was done with car horns and a few thousand people who gathered spontaneously (without a permit) to stop a tax increase.

A lot of those "morons" who "don't care about anything except themselves and being at a football game" are actually only concerned about freedom and the viability of this country for the generations to come.
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Why are you being obtuse? Is it because you have no argument so you rant about issues that have nothing to do with reality? 50,000 people just looking at their phones?

LOL
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Deaths are being attributed to COVID-19 without positive, confirmed test results. That’s widely known and accepted.
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Let me post the CDC guidelines for you again:

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

Yes, as a certifying physician you can attribute a death to covid 19, using "best clinical judgement", when it is probable or presumed that the cause of death was COVID-19. In no way, shape, or form, does the CDC guideline suggest that COVID-19 should be entered as COD as a default cause of death regardless of the actual circumstances of the patient's demise.

Neither the CDC nor the federal government writes death certificates, this is coming from physicians and health departments the local level. Tony Fauci is not driving from hospital to hospital demanding that doctors lie, and put down COVID-19 on a death certificate when the person died because he fell off of 40 foot ladder head first, and just happen to have a positive COVID 19 test result.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Observational Study of Hydroxychloroquine in Hospitalized Patients with Covid-19
  • Joshua Geleris, M.D.,
  • Yifei Sun, Ph.D.,
  • Jonathan Platt, Ph.D.,
  • Jason Zucker, M.D.,
  • Matthew Baldwin, M.D.,
  • George Hripcsak, M.D.,
  • Angelena Labella, M.D.,
  • Daniel Manson, M.D.,
  • Christine Kubin, Pharm.D.,
  • R. Graham Barr, M.D., Dr.P.H.,
  • Magdalena E. Sobieszczyk, M.D., M.P.H.,
  • and Neil W. Schluger, M.D.
In this observational study involving patients with Covid-19 who had been admitted to the hospital, hydroxychloroquine administration was not associated with either a greatly lowered or an increased risk of the composite end point of intubation or death. Randomized, controlled trials of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19 are needed.
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If you read the study, you will see that 35% who were treated with hydroxychloroquine either died or required intubation (life support) while only 15% who were not treated with the drug died or required intubation. Those numbers did not meet statistical significance.

The authors you list conclude that hydroxychloroquine should not be used to treat COVID except in trials. See the next to the last paragraph.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
FORGET YOU! It's not about Neyland Stadium or football, it's about rights. And we all have the right to assemble. You sound like a commie, the same people are concerned about health and safety as much as the next person. But we see how this has situation has been manipulated. All this mask stuff if you aren't in downtown new York or at a nursing home or a hospital is quite frankly nuts. Social distancing outside of a very few hot spots is a joke. Folks are tired of it. So don't get all commie lock down talk on me or my American friends we know the law and our rights, so if you don't like it stay at home! And folks like you telling us where we should not go 3-4 months from now is total BS! Your kind will always try to move the goal post, at some point Americans will decide what opens. The cause cannot become worse than the virus, and in many cases it already is. Keep opening America! GOD BLESS and GBO!!!!!
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You know little law, not much about human interaction in groups and nothing about the potential fierceness of federal troops. Fine.

When you lay dying of COVID, they won't have to gig you with a bayonet, will they?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
If you read the study, you will see that 35% who were treated with hydroxychloroquine either died or required intubation (life support) while only 15% who were not treated with the drug died or required intubation. Those numbers did not meet statistical significance.

The authors you list conclude that hydroxychloroquine should not be used to treat COVID except in trials. See the next to the last paragraph.
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I know, that's why I posted it. There is currently no compelling evidence that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for COVID 19.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
sweet so lets stay under our beds and never leave
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Oh that’s not what I’m saying. My point is that these viruses have been around forever and we’ve never developed, or in the long run needed to develop, a vaccine. They run their course and that’s pretty much it.
 
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We should open Neyland Day One, watch as all the mentally challenged go barreling in, lapping up the beer, and then close of all the exits. Exit the players and the service.

When you have the chance to rid the vermin, rid the vermin.
 
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Infuenza has been largely ignored, when in fact this was the worst season ever for it. Where are it's numbers???The sad part is in some places they find it convenient to just cast it off as covid 19. When in REALITY this was the worst influenza season ever and influenza kills Americans every year by the thousands. We haven't heard a peep about influenza numbers, something is fishy no way to smooth that over. You haven't heard a peep about the worst influenza season ever because it has been thrown into the covid 19 barrel. God Bless and GBO!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Deaths are being attributed to COVID-19 without positive, confirmed test results. That’s widely known and accepted.
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You should definitely have a problem with how influenza deaths are counted then. They're purely just estimates based on whether influenza was likely a contributing factor.
 
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Dumbledorange said:
We should open Neyland Day One, watch as all the mentally challenged go barreling in, lapping up the beer, and then close of all the exits. Exit the players and the service.

When you have the chance to rid the vermin, rid the vermin.
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Just take the LED out of your handle, and you say it all!
 
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ASB Vol said:
Hard to social distance with 400 guys cramming into a bathroom to share a trough, stall, sink or trash can. But I'd really like to be in the stands to see us beat Fla this fall.
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I think there’s a much greater risk of catching something other than CoVid from the troughs. I’ve been using them for years and consider them a vital source of my immune system
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Infuenza has been largely ignored, when in fact this was the worst season ever for it. Where are it's numbers???The sad part is in some places they find it convenient to just cast it off as covid 19. When in REALITY this was the worst influenza season ever and influenza kills Americans every year by the thousands. We haven't heard a peep about influenza numbers, something is fishy no way to smooth that over. You haven't heard a peep about the worst influenza season ever because it has been thrown into the covid 19 barrel. God Bless and GBO!
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It's because you don't understand the nature of influenza, which has an incubation period of 1-4 days, and causes visible symptoms in nearly 100% of those infected, and of which we have a yearly vaccination program for.

In spite of that, flu still infects 35-50 million Americans annually, but there are still only 35-50 thousand deaths. Giving it a mortality rate of ~.09%.

That's what vaccine-based herd immunity looks like when you have a virulent pathogen that is easily spread.

The current US mortality rate of COVID 19 is 1.3%.

Covid 19 is not the flu.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
There will never be a test that reaches the accuracy you describe. Pregnancy tests are 98% specific. That's really good. But it also means if you test 100 people who are for sure not pregnant, for example 100 men, it will be incorrect (say pregnancy is present when it is not) in 2 of those men.
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DNA men or gender recognized men?
 
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Dumbledorange said:
We should open Neyland Day One, watch as all the mentally challenged go barreling in, lapping up the beer, and then close of all the exits. Exit the players and the service.

When you have the chance to rid the vermin, rid the vermin.
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If you're 65+, obese or have diabetes then by all means, stay at home! The chance a healthy person dies from Covid is extremely low. 94% of covid related hospitalizations in NY had at least one underlying health issue. Minnesota said that nearly ALL of their deaths involved at least one underlying health issue. Healthy people have a better chance to die in a car wreck on their way to the game than from contracting covid.
 
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BeardedVol said:
It's because you don't understand the nature of influenza, which has an incubation period of 1-4 days, and causes visible symptoms in nearly 100% of those infected, and of which we have a yearly vaccination program for.

In spite of that, flu still infects 35-50 million Americans annually, but there are still only 35-50 thousand deaths. Giving it a mortality rate of ~.09%.

That's what vaccine-based herd immunity looks like when you have a virulent pathogen that is easily spread.

The current US mortality rate of COVID 19 is 1.3%.

Covid 19 is not the flu.
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Yet for these annual numbers we permit 12K fans to fill TBA 20 times every year. Does anybody care that over the last 10 years we’ve probably lost at least X fans to flu deaths contracted during a basketball game?
It’s a risk!
 
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Wireless1 said:
Yet for these annual numbers we permit 12K fans to fill TBA 20 times every year. Does anybody care that over the last 10 years we’ve probably lost at least X fans to flu deaths contracted during a basketball game?
It’s a risk!
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You're drawing a false equivalency between the two. Again, seasonal influenza transmissibility, and mortality are not the same as Covid 19.
 
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wtmvol said:
I'm sure doctors are chomping at the bit to falsify medical records even though they would get paid nothing extra for it and would likely destroy their career.
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Except the government that gave the order holds their license
 
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FBtime said:
If you're 65+, obese or have diabetes then by all means, stay at home! The chance a healthy person dies from Covid is extremely low. 94% of covid related hospitalizations in NY had at least one underlying health issue. Minnesota said that nearly ALL of their deaths involved at least one underlying health issue. Healthy people have a better chance to die in a car wreck on their way to the game than from contracting covid.
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I understand your need to make comparisons (COVID and Cars) between things that have no comparability, except in your mind, but the rest of us look at posts like yours and say, under our breaths, "His parents must have been doofuses."
 
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BeardedVol said:
You're drawing a false equivalency between the two. Again, seasonal influenza transmissibility, and mortality are not the same as Covid 19.
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We don’t know that. We know for the flu but we do not have complete factual data for CoVid
 
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Wireless1 said:
Except the government that gave the order holds their license
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