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Purple Tiger said:
Violation of social distancing?
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That's the defense? Chicago PD is going to come arrest me in Atlanta for supporting Chicogans 1st Ammendment Rights, and you are fine with it because some people will get sick and less than .2% of the sick might die.

It's no different than any other protest, get a bunch of people gathered together and you will spread whatever bugs people have around. It's never been a reason to suspend rights before.
 
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Septic said:
What a strange connection you've made, sexual gratification? Science shows that a fetus doesn't "feel" pain until the third trimester, few states allow for that.

I abhor abortion, but that has little to do with me pointing out the appeal to emotion argument from you and the other people (e.g. @Ten_Titans ) who may feel the same way.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. A video of a "medical procedure" isn't the same thing as an ASPCA commercial.

If watching an abortion gives a strong emotional response, that's probably your conscious telling you that you are seeing something abhorrent.

If the act weren't gruesome, there would be no emotional response and you wouldn't be saying it's an appeal to emotion.

People who support awful things like to refrain from looking at them from the perspective of a living, feeling human being. I don't think there is anything wrong with forcing people to do that. Most things that are awful can't be done justice by just talking about it, and abortion is one of those things.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Not in this matter.
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You might get sick so you must go home.

Yeah no way the government ever abuses that.....

You dont find it worrisome that they are releasing prisoners because jails are hot spots, but have no problem locking people up for not social distancing? And that goes with all the other crimes these cities have stopped policing.

No it's not the actual criminals that are a danger to society, its the people expressing their rights that are dangerous.

That is a very very bad precedent to set.
 
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TennTradition said:
People who manage these outbreaks professionally will generally tell you that if you wait to be right to act, that you will always lose. These viruses don't wait. Now when it comes to shutdowns the consequences of being wrong are huge. I get that. But its just as wrong to be dismissive of the virus' effects as it is to be dismissive of the economic consequences. This is rough. Pandemics are terrible. It's why some people have sounded such loud alarm bells about them.
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In this case being right also comes with huge consquences. In this case being right is going to hurt us worse than if they were wrong. Which is why many of us have said the cure is worse than the disease.
 
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LouderVol said:
You might get sick so you must go home.

Yeah no way the government ever abuses that.....

You dont find it worrisome that they are releasing prisoners because jails are hot spots, but have no problem locking people up for not social distancing? And that goes with all the other crimes these cities have stopped policing.

No it's not the actual criminals that are a danger to society, its the people expressing their rights that are dangerous.

That is a very very bad precedent to set.
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Typhoid Mary said that, too.
 
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LouderVol said:
In this case being right also comes with huge consquences. In this case being right is going to hurt us worse than if they were wrong. Which is why many of us have said the cure is worse than the disease.
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I don't know enough to agree or disagree with you. I think that a virus-induced panic (true panic, not "policy panic" like we've seen) does not end well for commerce at all. And you have the burden from medical systems being overwhelmed, etc. If they were right - and not locking down meant hospital systems being overwhelmed and make 100k more deaths than we've seen - do you think people just keep carrying along absent government edict? Except now supply chains are severely disrupted more so than now because even essential businesses have a hard time getting employees to show up, etc.

Like I said, I don't know enough to say if this was the right move then had they not done it, all these things would happen. But I am saying that this is more complicated that, "well shutting down really hit the economy which is horrible, so staying open would have been better for the economy." I think in a lot of rural areas it wouldn't be the case - but GDP is driven by urban areas (if we're talking about pure macro here - not micro, which matters).
 
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TennTradition said:
I don't know enough to agree or disagree with you. I think that a virus-induced panic (true panic, not "policy panic" like we've seen) does not end well for commerce at all. And you have the burden from medical systems being overwhelmed, etc. If they were right - and not locking down meant hospital systems being overwhelmed and make 100k more deaths than we've seen - do you think people just keep carrying along absent government edict? Except now supply chains are severely disrupted more so than now because even essential businesses have a hard time getting employees to show up, etc.

Like I said, I don't know enough to say if this was the right move then had they not done it, all these things would happen. But I am saying that this is more complicated that, "well shutting down really hit the economy which is horrible, so staying open would have been better for the economy." I think in a lot of rural areas it wouldn't be the case - but GDP is driven by urban areas (if we're talking about pure macro here - not micro, which matters).
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Why do I find myself reading your posts in Ben Steins voice?
 
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So I see that the administration asked the CDC to come up with guidelines for reopening.

The CDC did so and handed them over.

And the administration is not going to take the advice.

So you have the task force possibly restructuring (gee, I wonder what that means), Trump and Pence out there actively encouraging re-opening even before their own phase-based advice is met, and now they reject a submission from the nation's central health policy maker.

Its going to be tough for Trump to #blamesomeoneelse if this backfires and we see a spike in cases and deaths.
 
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