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[Smokey'sHandler]

The data is in — Stop the Panic and End the total isolation

BY DR. SCOTT W. ATLAS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/22/20 12:30 PM EDT

The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.

Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

All of these are very well stated facts. I do believe Fact #3 is the most glaring point as to why it is essential for us to open now. If we do not all we are going to do is increase the potential for a harsher second wave and guarantee that this thing is going to stick around for a while.

If you are under the age of 40 and have no pre-existing conditions your risk with this virus is near zero and even Californians are understanding that. When Californians are understanding a situation and defying their liberal leadership there may be something going on.

 

[NCFisher]

And people vote in Russia.

Good grief, man; that's embarrassing.

 

[allvol123]

SIAP

Again with this. It is a snapshot. If people died now that would have died 2 months from now anyway, then you've pulled ahead but not really changed deaths for the year.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I might have missed it. I haven't seen the first thing say this is tearing through the homless population anywhere.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Going to be 85k+ deaths by the end of May.

 

[utvolpj]

Going to be 85k+ deaths by the end of May.

And hundreds of millions starve in the fallout. Which one is preferred?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

You guys need to just cede Northern Virginia to DC so you can regain control of your state.

I wish

 

[ClearwaterVol]

And hundreds of millions starve in the fallout. Which one is preferred?

I was talking about in the US alone. I assume you don't really mean that hundreds of millions of americans starving. Make your point more clearly.

 

[VolStrom]

And hundreds of millions starve in the fallout. Which one is preferred?

I think the hard core dems wants millions to starve.

 

[rjd970]

I was talking about in the US alone. I assume you don't really mean that hundreds of millions of americans starving. Make your point more clearly.

I have a bridge to sell you if you believe there will be 85K people that die due to CV. If we are simply using a positive test to categorize a CV death, I'm surprised it won't be more than 85K.

 

[allvol123]

Going to be 85k+ deaths by the end of May.

And a quarter million dead from heart disease in that same time. But who cares. Doesnt scare people.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

I think the hard core dems wants millions to starve.

I think the far right want to lynch millions.
See I can make ridiculous, unfounded claims about the other side as well.

 

[NCFisher]

I think the route we took was fine, overreacting is always the better option when dealing with an unknown pandemic, now that more data is coming out though I think a phased reopen is the way to go, with lots of testing, ppe for employees and social distancing.

Neither here nor there. It's simply premature conjecture to declare the chosen path, the correct path. Why not overreact by having the susceptible quarantine, instead of destroying millions of lives financially? How has the virtual shutdown of the most of the healthcare system in deference to C19, impacted perhaps that many more mentally and physically?

Those are lives, too.

 

[allvol123]

I think the far right want to lynch millions.
See I can make ridiculous, unfounded claims about the other side as well.

Let's compare yearly starvation deaths to yearly lynchings.

 

[rjd970]

And a quarter million dead from heart disease in that same time. But who cares. Doesnt scare people.

Good news is heart disease should be on the decline. A positive CV test gets a heart disease death off the books.

 

[Matt2496]

So where's the media outcry over how NY has handled coronavirus? Cuomo/De Blasio clearly botched the response. New York's death per million are nearly twice that of Italy's. They are an extreme anomaly compared to other states, yet the media is too busy nitpicking Trump.

Something's wrong with this picture. Taking New York out of the equation puts us closer to Germany's numbers. The media are such dishonest hacks.

 

[utvolpj]

I was talking about in the US alone. I assume you don't really mean that hundreds of millions of americans starving. Make your point more clearly.

Make yours. Is 85k now an acceptable trade for a very long recovery? Maybe we shouldn't have panicked and handled this much differently?

We added zero leadership to the world and aided in a global economic shutdown. That will potentially cost the lives of hundreds of millions.

 

[rjd970]

I think the route we took was fine, overreacting is always the better option when dealing with an unknown pandemic, now that more data is coming out though I think a phased reopen is the way to go, with lots of testing, ppe for employees and social distancing.

I'm not so sure.

 

[evillawyer]

Completely irrelevant since prior years flu numbers are reflected in the data. This is purely excess deaths over the yearly averages for total deaths. Factor in that murders and automobile deaths are down during the lockdown, the number of COVID deaths may be even higher that what's suggested here.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[VolStrom]

I think the far right want to lynch millions.
See I can make ridiculous, unfounded claims about the other side as well.

So I'm the "other side" right? Just want to make sure we're on opposite sides of the middle.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

Let's compare yearly starvation deaths to yearly lynchings.

Isn’t the republicans how are always trying to kick people off welfare, thereby causing millions to starve and not get the food they need?

 

[LouderVol]

UN warns coronavirus fallout will lead to the next pandemic – global starvation

While the World Health Organization warns that stringent guidelines need to stay in place to combat the spread of COVID-19, fellow United Nations agency World Food Program (WFP) believes that it will lead to an uptick in global poverty and starvation, and the response to the virus itself may end up killing more people by the end of 2020.

What?!? That's just what everyone has been saying this whole time.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Isn’t the republicans how are always trying to kick people off welfare, thereby causing millions to starve and not get the food they need?

wow.

 

[LouderVol]

SIAP

Or like reported people couldnt get other needed medical care, suicide from job loss and freak out, or just stupidity of people being stuck at home.