2020 Presidential Race

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bnhunt said:
Nope. As I have said consistently, if she is willing to testify under oath where the penalty of perjury applies and be subject to cross-examination, then I will carefully analyze the evidence and make an informed decision.
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So for you to believe Tara Reade she must testify under oath were the penalty of perjury applies and be subject to cross examination?

But when an anonymous source comes forward with information about a conservative politician then you slurp it up and believe it’s true without evidence or the name of the accuser.

Will you now apply the same principle to both liberal and conservative? Or continue to be a hypocrite?
 
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Weezer said:
lmao That's a weak, lame ass excuse. Biden is running for President. It should absolutely be a story. But the liberal MSM will not give it the coverage or investigation it deserves because it might hurt the candidate a supposedly "un-biased" media supports.

Honestly, on morals alone, I don't see how you can sit back and justify what happened with Kavanaugh while dismissing the accusations against Biden. Maybe he did it, maybe he didn't, but do you honestly believe it should be so cavalierly pushed aside? Especially after the left tried to act like the hero of women? Ignore this and it proves that was just a bunch of political lies and bull ****. Hell, it proves the point I've always made. It's all about power. It's not about doing what's best for the country, or what's best for the people, or even addressing the crimes this woman has alleged Biden committed against her. It's about power, and who's in control. Politics before morality. And then you want to bitch about Trump. I call bull ****. You don't care what he does. You just care that it's him doing it. It's false morality.
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I'm not ignoring the Biden accusations, although I think there are a lot of differences between this and the Kavanaugh accusations as I've previously stated. If Biden accuser is willing to testify under oath and be subject to penalty of perjury and cross-examination, then her accusations should certainly be analyzed more closely.
 
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bnhunt said:
I'm not ignoring the Biden accusations, although I think there are a lot of differences between this and the Kavanaugh accusations as I've previously stated. If Biden accuser is willing to testify under oath and be subject to penalty of perjury and cross-examination, then her accusations should certainly be analyzed more closely.
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Use the same argument for her that you do Ford. What does she have to gain? And the biggest difference between the two is Biden's accuser can provide details that Ford couldn't. You're looking for an out for Biden. I have no idea if he did it or not, but don't change your argument based on politics.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
So for you to believe Tara Reade she must testify under oath were the penalty of perjury applies and be subject to cross examination?

But when an anonymous source comes forward with information about a conservative politician then you slurp it up and believe it’s true without evidence or the name of the accuser.

Will you now apply the same principle to both liberal and conservative? Or continue to be a hypocrite?
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I tend to take all accusations the same and wait to see if there is any evidence to support the same whether the accusations are against Democrats or Republicans. And one thing that seems to always get lost during these conversations is that testimony under oath is evidence. You may not agree with her or believe that she is lying, but it is evidence to be considered when making a determination. I also look at the motive of the person making the accusations as I think that can be very telling regarding the veracity of the accusations as there are often financial motives involved.
 
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bnhunt said:
I tend to take all accusations the same and wait to see if there is any evidence to support the same whether the accusations are against Democrats or Republicans. And one thing that seems to always get lost during these conversations is that testimony under oath is evidence. You may not agree with her or believe that she is lying, but it is evidence to be considered when making a determination. I also look at the motive of the person making the accusations as I think that can be very telling regarding the veracity of the accusations as there are often financial motives involved.
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Ford never committed to anything in her testimony that could be proven true or false. She made sure to protect herself from perjury charges. This traumatic event that has haunted her for years, and yet she cannot remember key details. Her story has huge holes in it. And you seem to be okay with that. I'm not. It hurts her credibility in my eyes that she can't nail down anything with certainty.
 
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Weezer said:
Ford never committed to anything in her testimony that could be proven true or false. She made sure to protect herself from perjury charges. This traumatic event that has haunted her for years, and yet she cannot remember key details. Her story has huge holes in it. And you seem to be okay with that. I'm not. It hurts her credibility in my eyes that she can't nail down anything with certainty.
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Fair enough, but at least she subjected herself to rigorous cross-examination and answered the questions to the best of her ability. I also don't think it is unusual for victims of assault to block out all or parts of the traumatic event (see below).
Why Rape and Trauma Survivors Have Fragmented and Incomplete Memories
 
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bnhunt said:
Then it's not the same as the Kavanaugh accusations, so the media shouldn't cover them the same. You just made my point for me.
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Come on dude. You know that it takes far less for the MSM to make a story out of something. They've ran with stories that had way less smoke than this. Stop joking
 
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DC_Vol said:
WTH is wrong with this family??

Hunter snakes his brother’s wife after he died from cancer.

We are all aware of Biden’s issues.

And now Jill is allowing her mentally disabled husband to carry through with this campaign.

Something is not right there.
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They will announce their surprise candidate at the convention. It ain't Biden.
 
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Pelosi To Biden: No Need To Worry About Your Rape Accusation

'He knows how to get the job done': Nancy Pelosi becomes latest high-profile Democrat to endorse Joe Biden calling him the 'personification of hope and courage'

'Today I am proud to endorse Joe Biden for president of the United States because he will be an extraordinary president,' Pelosi said in a video message, posted early Monday morning. 'He knows how to get the job done.'

Nancy Pelosi becomes latest high-profile Democrat to endorse Joe Biden | Daily Mail Online
 
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