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[508mikey]

I am having a problem reconciling the automation of goods and why they are cheaper in China

because the crap falls apart faster and needs replaced again -- then you actually end up paying twice for garbage goods than once for quality goods

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

 

[508mikey]

That’s true. It’s not always just about labor costs, though.

Its mark up from US companies like Nike etc

 

[FLVOL_79]

If you actually think that is informative and relevant, you are a moron.

Well hells bells Luder! I'm not certified to teach this to special needs people. I apologize.

 

[Stew Cook]

Wtf? There are tire plants all over the US.

Yeah, and which of these companies also import their own tires from China? Weird that you can buy an "American Made" tire that is made in China, but I think that is the case. Without offsetting costs the price of tires would be elevated.

Anyway, tires was a subject that was brought up and used as an example, but a lot of people already pay $1000 for a set of tires.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Swing-state Democratic governors under Duress over stay-at-home orders

Republican state legislators are demanding that their economies reopen sooner than later — fights with big implications for Trump's reelection.

04/17/2020 07:54 PM EDT

Republican legislators in multiple presidential battleground states are amping up pressure on Democratic governors to reopen their economies — clashes that are certain to shape the views of a critical slice of the electorate in November.

Democratic officials across Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota are resisting overtures to roll back public health closures: Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers just extended his state’s stay-at-home order despite legal threats from Republicans, and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf recently announced he will veto a GOP bill to expand which businesses are deemed too important to shutter.

The showdowns between emboldened Republican officials and Democratic governors are emerging as an undercard to the fall contest between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden. The GOP drumbeat comes as Democrats are seizing on Trump’s uneven handling of the virus to win the presidency and flip several statehouses.

Trump himself is stoking the angst on the right, urging in a Friday tweet to “LIBERATE” Michigan, Minnesota and Virginia. Those are among the states where protests of stay-at-home orders issued by Democrats are unfolding. But at the state level, the partisan standoffs are complicated by a tangle of Democratic directives that Republican lawmakers have struggled to unwind.

Swing-state Democratic governors under duress over stay-at-home orders

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Yeah, and which of these companies also import their own tires from China? Weird that you can buy an "American Made" tire that is made in China, but I think that is the case. Without offsetting costs the price of tires would be elevated.

Anyway, tires was a subject that was brought up and used as an example, but a lot of people already pay $1000 for a set of tires.

Well, if we are making the product here in America then paying a little more shouldn't bother anyone

 

[Stew Cook]

I am having a problem reconciling the automation of goods and why they are cheaper in China

China has been building factories that could dwarf small cities. Scaled up along with automation creates a cheaper product. I'll not pretend to understand every aspect, but labor costs still remain a factor.

Here is one example of why US companies have factories in China, but also that we can learn from them.

Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory Is Now Producing 1,000 Model 3 Vehicles a Week, Report Says

 

[Stew Cook]

Well, if we are making the product here in America then paying a little more shouldn't bother anyone

Well, I guess it depends on whether or not we have a choice. Given a choice we tend to go with cheaper, but not necessarily inferior products.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Well, I guess it depends on whether or not we have a choice. Given a choice we tend to go with cheaper, but not necessarily inferior products.

That's true but if we made products here at home there would be several jobs for entry level employees that paid well above minimum wage

 

[Franklin Pierce]

New York Post: Erroneous Facebook Fact Check Relied on Professor with Ties to Wuhan Lab

The New York Post’s editorial board has penned a scathing article about Facebook’s fact-checking operations, revealing that an erroneous fact check performed on one of the newspaper’s opinion pieces about the origins of the Chinese virus relied on information from a professor who has conducted projects with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The professor in question is the same individual whose research was used in a recent fact check against an Epoch Times video that sought to explore the lab as a possible origin point for the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic.

Facebook’s reliance on research conducted by Danielle E. Anderson, an assistant professor at Duke-NUS medical school, presents a glaring conflict of interest because of her professional ties to the Wuhan institute, the Post‘s editorial board concluded.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology has come under intense scrutiny in recent days following reports that the U.S. intelligence community is investigating the lab as the possible source of the outbreak. Prof. Anderson has claimed that the lab maintains “strict control and containment measures.”

In February, the Post ran an opinion piece by Steven Mosher in which he warned that China’s story about the origins of the Chinese virus can’t be trusted. He argued that the virus might possibly have jumped to the human population due to errors at the Wuhan lab, rather than via that city’s infamous “wet market.”

The Post said the article was widely read online until Facebook slapped a “False Information” label on it, which prevented Facebook users from clicking through to the story.

The newspaper said that it asked for weeks to get Facebook to un-block Mosher’s opinion article to no avail. On Friday, Facebook finally relented but without acknowledging that it had been wrong, according to the Post.

“Facebook has a clear responsibility to do better: If it’s going to block ‘false’ information, it needs better fact-checkers — and more people watching over those watchmen,” the editorial board wrote in its article.

“When your defense against ‘fake news’ all but kills free discussion, your system is worse than no defense at all.”

Facebook outsources its fact-checking operations to third-party organizations, some of which are news outlets like the Associated Press and Reuters. A negative fact-check will prompt Facebook to block or demote an article. Out of Facebook’s nine fact-checking organizations in the United States, only one is a conservative outlet — the Daily Caller’s Check Your Fact.

Breitbart recently reported on a case where Facebook’s fact checkers ignored a verifiably inaccurate headline from HuffPost that claimed that President Donald Trump has a financial “stake” in a company that makes hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug that the president has highlighted as a possible treatment for COVID-19.

New York Post: Erroneous Facebook Fact Check Relied on Professor with Ties to Wuhan Lab

 

[Stew Cook]

That's true but if we made products here at home there would be several jobs for entry level employees that paid well above minimum wage

God, we should hope so. If the standards for companies bringing back domestic production were to start at minimum wage, we'd be screwed from square one.

 

[Orangeburst]

China has been building factories that could dwarf small cities. Scaled up along with automation creates a cheaper product. I'll not pretend to understand every aspect, but labor costs still remain a factor.

Here is one example of why US companies have factories in China, but also that we can learn from them.

Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory Is Now Producing 1,000 Model 3 Vehicles a Week, Report Says

I just do not see 2-3 times price for high automation products. Especially in high volume runs whee the human capital can be minuscule per widget. Then you have to throw in transportation costs to market. Not being critical as I do not portend to be knowledgeable. I certainly understand economies of scale but no reason we cannot as well in USA

Guess taxes, power rates, raw material costs etc all are different

 

[Stew Cook]

I just do not see 2-3 times price for high automation products. Especially in high volume runs whee the human capital can be minuscule per widget. Then you have to throw in transportation costs to market. Not being critical as I do not portend to be knowledgeable. I certainly understand economies of scale but no reason we cannot as well in USA

Yeah, I think it could probably be worked out for most consumables, at least to the point of affordable. Wouldn't happen in a hurry, though, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Orangeburst]

Well, I guess it depends on whether or not we have a choice. Given a choice we tend to go with cheaper, but not necessarily inferior products.

What was the old joke about the Space Shuttle? A billion parts on lowest bid price.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

God, we should hope so. If the standards for companies bringing back domestic production were to start at minimum wage, we'd be screwed from square one.

I agree, that's hard work and those jobs should start out entry level at 15 an hour with benefits. Now the work is available then people should take advantage of that and quit b!tching about wanting 15 an hour to work at McDonald's. Here's the thing, McDonald's/ fast food is to build job skills when you're young it was never meant to be a career.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[Orangeburst]

I agree, that's hard work and those jobs should start out entry level at 15 an hour with benefits. Now the work is available then people should take advantage of that and quit b!tching about wanting 15 an hour to work at McDonald's. Here's the thing, McDonald's/ fast food is to build job skills when you're young it was never meant to be a career.

Hopefully they can build widgets better than a hamburger. I got a a Wendy’s one time they drive thru and no patty! Like a car without a motor.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Hopefully they can build widgets better than a hamburger. I got a a Wendy’s one time they drive thru and no patty! Like a car without a motor.

Lol, well there will be struggles at first

 

[Volsfaninva917]

 

[hUTch2002]

Actually some saying it's not real. Over the character limit in place in 2009

Yet you posted it anyway.

 

[Zues1]

I believe the dependency on foreign made products goes back to the automotive industry in the 70's. As america continued to build expensive gas guzzling road-hogs at union labor wages the Japanese and other countries produced affordable gas misers with sweat shop labor. Americans liked the cheaper priced Toyota's / Datsun's with the better gas mileage. You can toss the motorcycle industry in the mix as well.

In my opinion that kicked the doors open to the Asian markets. Now the Toyota's and Nissan's ( datsuns) aint cheap anymore but people love em.
Try buying an American made television, Be sure to check the back packaging of your favorite frozen fish, etc.

You can hate on Trump all you want, but he's right about bringing jobs and industry back to America.
I'm sure it will take longer than I'll be around most likely, but it something that needs to happen for this country to survive as a world leader.

 

[Orangeburst]

I believe the dependency on foreign made products goes back to the automotive industry in the 70's. As america continued to build expensive gas guzzling road-hogs at union labor wages the Japanese and other countries produced affordable gas misers with sweat shop labor. Americans liked the cheaper priced Toyota's / Datsun's with the better gas mileage. You can toss the motorcycle industry in the mix as well.

In my opinion that kicked the doors open to the Asian markets. Now the Toyota's and Nissan's ( datsuns) aint cheap anymore but people love em.
Try buying an American made television, Be sure to check the back packaging of your favorite frozen fish, etc.

You can hate on Trump all you want, but he's right about bringing jobs and industry back to America.
I'm sure it will take longer than I'll be around most likely, but it something that needs to happen for this country to survive as a world leader.

The unions had a big impact in this time period as well. Neil Boortz spoke often of it in the steel industry and how it filtered down to appliances, vehicles etc

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I’m curious why AS would stick his neck out for China. What’s his motivation here?

He's a douche. His motivation is muh Trump.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

According to the TN state published data, my county has had somewhere around 140 ish positive tests around 134 ish recoveries and 3 deaths. I'm taking this from memory but it's really close to the actual numbers. If I'm not mistaken that means 3 people are either in the hospital or at home recovering. The diagnosed tests are not increasing so why in the hell are we still quarantined? I drove by the hospital a couple of times in the last week and the drive in testing site was empty with the people manning it sitting around talking.

Can't be. The lefties are telling us Armageddon is upon us.