2020 Presidential Race

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FLVOL_79 said:
Biden draws the most high school drop outs as well. Wonder why that is?

And your educated White men is false. The only White males Biden gets support from are betas, regardless of education.
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It is rather laughable. How can the mighty Joe Biden whose probably the worst presidential candidate in modern history ever be defeated? The guy is currently a two time loser in the democratic party primaries over a period of 4 decades. We thought when the Buffalo Bill's lost 3 Super Bowls in a row that was bad.
 
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NEOCON said:
We asked ourselves which candidate would piss the democrats, liberals and establishment off the most and he just magically appeared.

Dont you realize the more you hate him the more we love him? He is our middle finger to you all.

I just hope he gets re elected cause that's when the real begins. We are gonna sway the sc so far right you won't know what hit you.

Get ready baby. The next four years are gonna be fun!
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bnhunt said:
Wow, while I do appreciate your honesty, this is an awful reason to vote for someone. You basically said "hold my beer" (probably Natty Light for you) and voted, which was all fun and games until a pandemic, national disaster, or emergency happens and the person in charge is completely clueless and incompetent and costs thousands of Americans their lives, which is exactly what happened here, so congrats on your vote red.
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Yeah, good thing then that Trump was in charge or we would have been really screwed had the alternative been running things!
 
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NEOCON said:
You don't understand why though.

That's the part you miss.

Bush sold us out. He was weak.

We want someone to be an ass to the other side and push through our agenda hell or high water the same obama and Pelosi did when she walked out with a gavel from a carrot top show.

We are sick of being nice and getting run over.

The guy is actually doing what he promised.

I love him as a president. Personally could care less but as a president he has made me very happy.
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They just don't or want to try to get why we love him so much!

They like to point out the polls saying that Joe Biden will win, while ignoring that in 2016 the polls even the morning of November 8th were saying Hillary was not only going to win the only question was by how much. Your now seeing the exact same thing happening and they are falling for it all over again. 😆
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Hard to take the “we should be coming together” thing seriously when you dodged the question about the video clip, and criticized Biden for moralizing, but I’ve tried to stay consistent in not asking people to virtue signal and you seem like decent people so I’ll assume you agree it was ****ed up, but don’t feel the need to condemn it to me, and move on.

The $1200 is susceptible to the same pork spending arguments. It’s susceptible to the same arguments about personal responsibility and it’s susceptible to additional arguments about not doing anything since it will inevitably go to people who aren’t worker and were never working. Most people don’t go to college with the idea of living off the government feet (although I’d be lying if I said that I haven’t noticed a trend among some clients of “going back to school” to get the loan money and then not completing their education but those people aren’t paying their loans so forgiving 10k does nothing).

For the people who aren’t in arrears, though, I’ll have paid nearly $30k in interest on my loans by the time they’re paid off and I took the linear repayment track and never missed a payment. This doesn’t represent dipping into your out tax payments. For most people, they’re just forgiving interest.

Also the premise that being overwhelmed by student loan debt is a sign of irresponsibility or bad decision making is simply incorrect. Like I said, it’s been a struggle but my earnings now have already outpaced what I could have expected to make in my career before going to law school, even accounting for 3 years of low wages in school and the repayment of the loans. And I actually had a career with a few years years of experience before going back to school. If I was about 10 years younger, this would really saved my ass.
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Yeah of course a 20 second clip doesnt capture the full 9 minute spiel. The clip was used for political purposes and so was Bidens point. I am failing to see the high ground here?

There is some dumb percentage of kids who get degrees who never work in their field, or a related one. Didnt do a deep dive into this link but it is saying similar stuff to what I have seen in better (government ) sources https://www.finder.com/college-degree-value

40% say college wasnt worth the price....

And we are bailing them out?

Even still, the validity of the loan doesnt justify me paying for it.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah of course a 20 second clip doesnt capture the full 9 minute spiel. The clip was used for political purposes and so was Bidens point. I am failing to see the high ground here?

There is some dumb percentage of kids who get degrees who never work in their field, or a related one. Didnt do a deep dive into this link but it is saying similar stuff to what I have seen in better (government ) sources https://www.finder.com/college-degree-value

40% say college wasnt worth the price....

And we are bailing them out?

Even still, the validity of the loan doesnt justify me paying for it.
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It was a dishonest ad. It didn’t just misrepresent the 9 minute monologue, it cut him off mid-sentence in a way that made him look dottering and senile to push a false narrative. “We’re supposed to be coming together” but you’re still treating this ad with kid gloves and drawing false equivalence while being much more harsh towards Biden for, of all things, moralizing. Your point about the loans is at least a valid policy disagreement.

Again, you could knock $10k off my loans and the government would still be making probably $15k in profit because I would continue to pay. I was more responsible than some of my colleagues who will end up paying more interest. So it’s neither a bailout nor are you paying for it. The program is estimated to make something in the range of 13 billion per year on average.

Student Loan 'Profits' Show Government Should Get Out Of Student Loan Business

I’ll happily endorse the argument that the government should just get out of the lending industry altogether, but in terms of an economic stimulus, essentially forgiving the profits they make on these loans is not a perfect solution, but you’re still not telling me how it is any more or less effective than handing out checks to everybody including those who weren’t working before and those who are still working now.
 
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Poll: Majority of Democrats Choose Cuomo over Biden as 2020 Nominee

A national poll commissioned by the Club for Growth reveals that a majority of Democrat respondents — 56 percent — said they want New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, not former Vice President Joe Biden, to be the 2020 presidential nominee.

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About 44 percent of respondents said they would stick with presumptive nominee Biden.

The New York Post reported on the poll results, spelled out in a “confidential” memorandum from WPAi, which surveyed 1,000 likely voters on April 3-6:
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Hispanic voters, young people, women and self-identified liberals are most likely to favor dumping the former vice president for Cuomo.

“With every major news event, Democrats realize more and more how bad of a candidate Joe Biden is, and Democrats now preferring Cuomo is just another example,” Joe Kildea, Club for Growth vice president of communications, told the Post.

Bryon Allen, chief research officer of WPAi, told the Post that the firm uses “commercial respondent panels matched to voter files.”

“Poll sampling was done to be representative of different races, geographic locations, genders, educational levels and ages,” the Post reported.

The likely voters were asked, “Based on what you know today, do you agree or disagree that Democrats should nominate Governor Andrew Cuomo for president instead of Joe Biden?”

Respondents comprised 361 Democrat respondents, 349 Republican respondents, and 262 independents.

“Among people of any party — including independents — who voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, the percentage favoring Cuomo increased to 57 percent,” the Post reported. “Of those who voted for President Trump in 2016, 53 percent wanted Democrats to keep Biden.”

Approximately 55 percent of black voters, who helped Biden defeat now twice-failed presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), said they preferred Cuomo, with 45 percent saying they favored Biden.

Regardless of party affiliation, younger voters ages 25 to 34 tallied 66 percent for Cuomo, as 57 percent of all women picked him, and 58 percent of Hispanics chose the governor.

Poll: Majority of Democrats Choose Cuomo over Biden as 2020 Nominee
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Poll: Majority of Democrats Choose Cuomo over Biden as 2020 Nominee

A national poll commissioned by the Club for Growth reveals that a majority of Democrat respondents — 56 percent — said they want New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, not former Vice President Joe Biden, to be the 2020 presidential nominee.

Joe-Biden-gestures-Andrew-Cuomo-LaGuardia-Airport-ap-640x480.jpg


About 44 percent of respondents said they would stick with presumptive nominee Biden.

The New York Post reported on the poll results, spelled out in a “confidential” memorandum from WPAi, which surveyed 1,000 likely voters on April 3-6:
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Hispanic voters, young people, women and self-identified liberals are most likely to favor dumping the former vice president for Cuomo.

“With every major news event, Democrats realize more and more how bad of a candidate Joe Biden is, and Democrats now preferring Cuomo is just another example,” Joe Kildea, Club for Growth vice president of communications, told the Post.

Bryon Allen, chief research officer of WPAi, told the Post that the firm uses “commercial respondent panels matched to voter files.”

“Poll sampling was done to be representative of different races, geographic locations, genders, educational levels and ages,” the Post reported.

The likely voters were asked, “Based on what you know today, do you agree or disagree that Democrats should nominate Governor Andrew Cuomo for president instead of Joe Biden?”

Respondents comprised 361 Democrat respondents, 349 Republican respondents, and 262 independents.

“Among people of any party — including independents — who voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, the percentage favoring Cuomo increased to 57 percent,” the Post reported. “Of those who voted for President Trump in 2016, 53 percent wanted Democrats to keep Biden.”

Approximately 55 percent of black voters, who helped Biden defeat now twice-failed presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), said they preferred Cuomo, with 45 percent saying they favored Biden.

Regardless of party affiliation, younger voters ages 25 to 34 tallied 66 percent for Cuomo, as 57 percent of all women picked him, and 58 percent of Hispanics chose the governor.

Poll: Majority of Democrats Choose Cuomo over Biden as 2020 Nominee
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Yet "Polls" show the groper ahead of Trump by 10 points

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Franklin Pierce said:
Poll: Majority of Democrats Choose Cuomo over Biden as 2020 Nominee

A national poll commissioned by the Club for Growth reveals that a majority of Democrat respondents — 56 percent — said they want New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, not former Vice President Joe Biden, to be the 2020 presidential nominee.

Joe-Biden-gestures-Andrew-Cuomo-LaGuardia-Airport-ap-640x480.jpg


About 44 percent of respondents said they would stick with presumptive nominee Biden.

The New York Post reported on the poll results, spelled out in a “confidential” memorandum from WPAi, which surveyed 1,000 likely voters on April 3-6:
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Hispanic voters, young people, women and self-identified liberals are most likely to favor dumping the former vice president for Cuomo.

“With every major news event, Democrats realize more and more how bad of a candidate Joe Biden is, and Democrats now preferring Cuomo is just another example,” Joe Kildea, Club for Growth vice president of communications, told the Post.

Bryon Allen, chief research officer of WPAi, told the Post that the firm uses “commercial respondent panels matched to voter files.”

“Poll sampling was done to be representative of different races, geographic locations, genders, educational levels and ages,” the Post reported.

The likely voters were asked, “Based on what you know today, do you agree or disagree that Democrats should nominate Governor Andrew Cuomo for president instead of Joe Biden?”

Respondents comprised 361 Democrat respondents, 349 Republican respondents, and 262 independents.

“Among people of any party — including independents — who voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, the percentage favoring Cuomo increased to 57 percent,” the Post reported. “Of those who voted for President Trump in 2016, 53 percent wanted Democrats to keep Biden.”

Approximately 55 percent of black voters, who helped Biden defeat now twice-failed presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), said they preferred Cuomo, with 45 percent saying they favored Biden.

Regardless of party affiliation, younger voters ages 25 to 34 tallied 66 percent for Cuomo, as 57 percent of all women picked him, and 58 percent of Hispanics chose the governor.

Poll: Majority of Democrats Choose Cuomo over Biden as 2020 Nominee
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These polls don't include the super delegates which are apparently controlled by the DNC. They are meaningless.
 
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The odds on who Joe Biden will pick as his female vice president candidate

With Sen. Bernie Sanders out of the race, the Joe Biden campaign is now moving into the fraught and delicate process of choosing a running mate.

Biden, at age 77, would be the oldest president ever elected should he triumph in November, making the vice president pick more important than ever.

“I think he’s aware that he might be picking the next president. I think people are going to be more aware of that, too,” Democratic strategist James Carville told The Post.

FRONTRUNNER:

Amy Klobuchar

The Minnesota Senator surprised many Democrats with her scrappy and tenacious 2020 campaign effort. “She could be No. 1” on Biden’s short list, the insider said. Klobuchar’s decision to end her campaign before Super Tuesday allowed Biden to consolidate the moderate/establishment wing of the Democratic party and set the groundwork for his eventual triumph over Sanders.

A Senate insider told The Post Klobuchar had standout “political skills” and was also the favorite of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Team Biden also hopes her presence on the ticket will help nail down a critical swing state.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/11/here-are-top-contenders-for-joe-bidens-vice-presidential-candidate/
 
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1972 Grad said:
Only 1 Democrat? No Marianne Williamson, Eric Swalwell, Howard Dean, Lincoln Chafee, John Inslee, etc.?
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The guy, I'm assuming, did not understand the point of my post. I said presidential candidate and he throws in some running for party nominations.
 
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