Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[FLVOL_79]

If this New Orleans church packs in 1000 people on Easter it will be interesting to see how well their HIV/FLU/China Virus curing Jesus approved handkerchiefs work out for em...

 

[theFallGuy]

welcome to the police state

Boston suburb sets up one-way sidewalks amid COVID-19 pandemic

 

[Stew Cook]

He doesn't need help with the black vote. They know he will keep the Republicans from putting them back in chains. They are smart that way.

I swear, the things running around in your head...

that one was not on my list, exactly as stated.

 

[McDad]

He doesn't need help with the black vote. They know he will keep the Republicans from putting them back in chains. They are smart that way.

Plus, Biden thinks:
“poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

 

[rjd970]

That possible CV doesn’t mean CV death. But it allows the CDC to test their models later. There are a lot of people dying at home without a CV test. Ideally their blood will be drawn for serology testing but I don’t know if that’s happening.

As for counting positive CV test deaths as CV deaths, it’s immaterial.

During an epidemic you can’t easily evaluate every death in detail from a CDC standpoint. So if you die following a positive CV test, they count you in their current statistics.

It is a minor bias that allows them to handle large amounts of information in a fast paced process. A bias that is likely overwhelmed by the deaths that are not being counted.

Mortality rate in the US is 874/100,000 per year. We’ve had 6 weeks of CV deaths. Assuming all 500k cases had CV that whole time and could have died of CV or other causes (very conservative because 400k of those have only been cases for 2 weeks), you would only expect 500 deaths non CV deaths. Instead we’ve had 19,000. That’s less than 3%.

If you do the less conservative math of 100k cases for 6 weeks, 200k cases for 2 weeks, and 200k cases for 1 week (better tracking case progression) that drops to more like 200. That’s 1%.

Making an issue of this is just a distraction. It’s immaterial and streamlines the process during the heat of the epidemic.

The data is also likely overwhelmed by a large population of those with mild or no symptoms that are not being counted and never will.

I still think it’s disingenuous to count every death with a positive test as a COVID death even when it wasn’t the cause. Just assuming it is offset by cases that weren’t counted is inaccurate. Especially as we get more and more into this with infrastructure and testing getting more available. In January/February, maybe....but now as soon as there is an onset of symptoms it’s more reasonable to assume people are going to the doctor and getting tested as opposed to assuming they are dying of COVID and not knowing it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’m sure they’ll cite in their suit against the government that, despite the president’s declaration, that it isn’t an actual national emergency because volfanjustin days it’s just an overblown flu bug.

(PS, it’s not a flu, it’s a coronavirus. Overblown cold bug might be more appropriate)

Flu or cold, that isn't the main point of his argument. It is the overblown reaction to whatever you want to call it.

 

[Stew Cook]

Plus, Biden thinks:
“poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

Do you disagree? Are you a talented white kid, or a low self-esteemed poor kid? Come on, Kid, you can do it!!

 

[TennTradition]

The data is also likely overwhelmed by a large population of those with mild or no symptoms that are not being counted and never will.

I still think it’s disingenuous to count every death with a positive test as a COVID death even when it wasn’t the cause. Just assuming it is offset by cases that weren’t counted is inaccurate. Especially as we get more and more into this with infrastructure and testing getting more available. In January/February, maybe....but now as soon as there is an onset of symptoms it’s more reasonable to assume people are going to the doctor and getting tested as opposed to assuming they are dying of COVID and not knowing it.

I’m not relying on those numbers to wag out the others because the non-CV deaths Statistically speaking are insignificant to the totals we are seeing for CV deaths.

My comment about the non-CV+ deaths amongst people who might have it and are dying at home was mainly just informed by the reports from NYC that the city is seeing about 150-200 more deaths per day than they would normally be seeing.

I still know people who are sick at home that I work with who were told to not come in for a test. Just ride it out at home. Call of breathing difficulties begin.

So while we are testing more we certainly aren’t testing even all the symptomatic.

 

[TennTradition]

Flu or cold, that isn't the main point of his argument. It is the overblown reaction to whatever you want to call it.

His point doesn’t matter.

It is legally a national emergency because it has been declared one.

Doesn’t matter if a VN poll thinks it’s overblown.

 

[Stew Cook]

His point doesn’t matter.

It is legally a national emergency because it has been declared one.

Doesn’t matter if a VN poll thinks it’s overblown.

I suppose he could cancel that, if he thinks it's an appropriate time.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do you disagree? Are you a talented white kid, or a low self-esteemed poor kid? Come on, Kid, you can do it!!

Take those same words and let those words have been said by Trump...

 

[rjd970]

I’m not relying on those numbers to wag out the others because the non-CV deaths Statistically speaking are insignificant to the totals we are seeing for CV deaths.

My comment about the non-CV+ deaths amongst people who might have it and are dying at home was mainly just informed by the reports from NYC that the city is seeing about 150-200 more deaths per day than they would normally be seeing.

I still know people who are sick at home that I work with who were told to not come in for a test. Just ride it out at home. Call of breathing difficulties begin.

So while we are testing more we certainly aren’t testing even all the symptomatic.

If it is statistically insignificant, then why are they being counted? Why not just leave those aside, and be more accurate with the data. If they are statistically insignificant then it shouldn’t matter if they are counted or not.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

His point doesn’t matter.

It is legally a national emergency because it has been declared one.

Doesn’t matter if a VN poll thinks it’s overblown.

And again, no one is arguing that it was declared a national emergency, because it is obvious to everyone it was declared.

The argument is was it necessary.

 

[Stew Cook]

Take those same words and let those words have been said by Trump...

They wouldn't be any less true, although it would spark more outrage. I personally think Asians are kicking all the kids asses, in talent, unless we are talking sports.

I find myself thinking, "poor white kids..." Privilege isn't cutting it, anymore.

 

[0nelilreb]

Here's a test then: Find me some liberal church leaders who are taking the same ridiculous position.

Easter Sunday is not about politics. If you have a church leader making it about politics you should remind him what’s it’s actually about or find another church . ( IMO )

 

[hndog609]

Do you disagree? Are you a talented white kid, or a low self-esteemed poor kid? Come on, Kid, you can do it!!

So presumably there's no such thing as poor white kids?

 

[Stew Cook]

So presumably there's no such thing as poor white kids?

Of course there are, and they are just as talented as the talented white kids. I think he may be giving some false hope, here, but I guess it's more of a motivational sentiment.

 

[evillawyer]

Man, NY just continues to take it on the chin.



Past 6 days

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I'm really surprised that these Southern Christian conservatives are going to lay down on Easter Sunday service. They usually talk the biggest game when it comes to issues involving God and country.

Berke only goes inside churches when it’s politically expedient.

 

[hndog609]

Of course there are, and they are just as talented as the talented white kids. I think he may be giving some false hope, here, but I guess it's more of a motivational sentiment.

Whatever the sentiment might have been it's a hugely stupid bit of phrasing.

 

[TennTradition]

If it is statistically insignificant, then why are they being counted? Why not just leave those aside, and be more accurate with the data. If they are statistically insignificant then it shouldn’t matter if they are counted or not.

Because in general UCOD takes time to determine, in some cases an autopsy and will often be inconclusive and be related to combined factors. CDC doesn’t have time to track down every death and read the report autopsy at this point during the epidemic.

 

[TennTradition]

And again, no one is arguing that it was declared a national emergency, because it is obvious to everyone it was declared.

The argument is was it necessary.

The discussion was about the courts’ take on the powers of governments during this period. Whether or not it was legally declared a national emergency is the relevant factor for the courts not whether you or I think that declaration was justified. I’m not even sure that declaration would matter to the courts - I’m not a lawyer. But I’m sure our opinions wouldn’t matter.

 

[0nelilreb]

Not sure where the humor comes from.

Because she knows that anecdotal and highly subjective when you group people together like that ?

 

[NCFisher]

Maybe you did but government cheese ain't so bad in the grand scheme of the dairy industry and their still poring out milk. Can you put into a simple sentence what you think of Government cheese? Is it bad or good?

I think such programs are a bad substitute for markets determining demand.
And I think food security - like pharmaceutical security - is a national security concern.

Gov cheese has already become part of the demand equation. The Fed stores more than 4 lbs/every person now. Do they need more cheese? Can more cheese even be stored suddenly, or distributed before spoiling? Are there cheese producers with the capacity to take the milk producers excess?

You think dumping milk to keep a profit margin is a terrible thing; it's a necessary thing. As a group, dairy farmers aren't getting rich, they work tremendously long, hard hours and live on a thin margin of profit. If they can't pay bills and give their family a decent life, they'll quit. Many already support the milk production with outside income working a job.

 

[1972 Grad]

I swear, the things running around in your head...

that one was not on my list, exactly as stated.

I guess you haven't seen the video of Biden telling black people: "they ( the Republicans) gonna put y'all back in chains."