2020 Presidential Race

[SpaceCoastVol]

I dont drink beer.

And the fact you think I drink natty light shows you are an incompetent fool who cant retain a damn thing you read.

I have been on here over a decade. Have over 10k post. It is pretty clear I am not some uneducated redneck.

I am also very pleased with how he is handling this and yes I am on the front lines. If the economy crashes and businesses go under I am going under right with them.

Remember, arguing with bn is like playing chess with a pigeon. (he's the pigeon)

 

[evillawyer]

Carl Ichan is a vile POS.

OK. But the issue was whether you can do anything with a philosophy degree. The thesis was that you'd be a broke bum for the rest of your life. Quite the opposite is true.

 

[Orangeburst]

OK. But the issue was whether you can do anything with a philosophy degree. The thesis was that you'd be a broke bum for the rest of your life. Quite the opposite is true.

5. Philosophy

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• Unemployment rate: 6.2%
• Underemployment rate: 49.5%
• Number of recent graduates: 52,497
• Early-career median wage: $35,000

Aside from teaching at a university, there are few jobs within the field of philosophy itself. The unemployment rate of 6.2% and underemployment rate of 49.5% indicates that finding meaningful employment can be a challenge. The early career median wage for philosophy students is $35,000.

The 10 college majors with the highest unemployment

"Employment of electricians is projected to grow 10 percent from 2018 to 2028, faster than the average for all occupations. Homes and businesses continue to require wiring, and electricians will be needed to install the necessary components.Dec 3, 2019"

Source: BLS

 

[37L1]

Implied.

Disclaimer: That is not 100%, only 57.3%.

Good Ol' luther, even in these troubled times, there are some things that you can depend on.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

The republicans gave up on caring about how to pay for stuff when Trump pulled 2 trillion dollars out of our butts.

I thought that money had to be approved first by Congress for it to go into effect? Did Trump do all that money thing by himself? Did Trump go to the Treasury's Vault by himself to get the money out to the masses?

 

[615vols]

Agreed. No putting the cat back in the bag now, the talking point is already out in the conservative infosphere, and is even getting traction with the recently angered Bros that forgot to vote for other Dear Leader. No amount of reason will change anyone's mind on it if they have already taken the bait.

Seeing you cry about “conservative talking points” when you supported a guy who claimed that anyone who supports Donald trump is a racist or ok with racism is quite hilarious. Would you say Pete was selling a liberal talking point or do you genuinely believe and agree with what he said?

 

[1972 Grad]

So Biden draws clear majority support from African Americans (regardless of education level), Latinos (regardless of education level), Asians (regardless of educational level), women (regardless of educational level) and educated white men. Seems like the only demographic Biden doesn't win is white men without a college degree. Wonder why that is?

White working men are smarter than the rest of those losers. Those non-college educated white men built this country into the greatest country ever. The Asians drove a few railroad spikes, the blacks picked a little cotton, the Latinos were all in Mexico, and the women made sammiches.

 

[508mikey]

Poll: Dems Prefer Andrew Cuomo Over Biden

 

[zeppelin128]

Seeing you cry about “conservative talking points” when you supported a guy who claimed that anyone who supports Donald trump is a racist or ok with racism is quite hilarious. Would you say Pete was selling a liberal talking point or do you genuinely believe and agree with what he said?

To be fair, Pete said "at best Trump supporters were looking the other way on the racism" within the Trump administration. And no, I didn't agree with him. Just because I worked for Pete's campaign doesn't mean I 100% agree with everything he has said. I'm not a Red Hat, I can admit when a politician is wrong.

 

[LouderVol]

Did you look at the charts at how philosophy majors crush the standardized tests? Do you think they're crushing those tests and then not going to law and business school?


Philosophers Don’t Get Much Respect, But Their Earnings Don’t Suck

Standardized tests do nothing but tell you how good you are at taking standardized tests. Coming from someone who did pretty good on them. Especially in this day and age of teaching the test and not the knowledge behind it.

 

[LouderVol]

Sentence starts around 6:40.

He starts losing it around the 6 minute mark. A couple stutters and repeats. Definitely changes his next word at least twice in the bit I watched.

I also love the idea that extra Covid relief should go to those who were struggling before hand.

THIS IS A CRISIS WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO HELP THOSE HURT BY IT. Oh yeah let's make sure we throw some extra pandering money in there too since we are clearly 100% focused on solving the Covid issue and not pushing political angles.

 

[LouderVol]

I thought that money had to be approved first by Congress for it to go into effect? Did Trump do all that money thing by himself? Did Trump go to the Treasury's Vault by himself to get the money out to the masses?

He signed it into effect. Dont care who wrote it, he put his name down on it

And considering it was a secret vote, no public record of results, it enters ACA territory of irresponsibility by Congress.

 

[615vols]

To be fair, Pete said "at best Trump supporters were looking the other way on the racism" within the Trump administration. And no, I didn't agree with him. Just because I worked for Pete's campaign doesn't mean I 100% agree with everything he has said. I'm not a Red Hat, I can admit when a politician is wrong.

Pete was and is 100% full of sh** on that. He was pushing the liberal “trump and his supporters are racists” talking points. That’s one of many reasons he’s sitting back watching the presidential race unfold now.

 

[1972 Grad]

To be fair, Pete said "at best Trump supporters were looking the other way on the racism" within the Trump administration. And no, I didn't agree with him. Just because I worked for Pete's campaign doesn't mean I 100% agree with everything he has said. I'm not a Red Hat, I can admit when a politician is wrong.

Pete who?

 

[BreatheUT]

Keep telling yourself that. Biden better pick a quality running mate. If he doesn’t, he won’t even win Delaware.

I don't like the pettiness of Trump but make no mistake he could go down as one of the more consequential presidents of our time. History will tell. It is really stunning when you see guys like Mark Levin discuss this.

 

[BreatheUT]

The debates will look like a shooting of an unarmed man.

Biden seems to find a way to get whipped by his own teleprompter.

In his defense he probably thinks it’s a toaster.

A win for Biden in a debate will be not having one at all.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Divisiveness was the complete foundation of the Trumpism playbook.

You don’t see Trump walking around calling himself “white” to decide like the “people of color” dipsticks.
What is this “whiteness” you leftists are pushing these days. I’d like to see a definition. Because honestly with what we now know about DNA if you think there is any difference based on skin pigmentation then you’re a Fing moron.

 

[RockyTop85]

He starts losing it around the 6 minute mark. A couple stutters and repeats. Definitely changes his next word at least twice in the bit I watched.

I also love the idea that extra Covid relief should go to those who were struggling before hand.

THIS IS A CRISIS WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO HELP THOSE HURT BY IT. Oh yeah let's make sure we throw some extra pandering money in there too since we are clearly 100% focused on solving the Covid issue and not pushing political angles.

Do you think the version that cut off mid sentence was an accurate representation of how he actually sounded?

I assume you’re talking about the student debt cancellation. It’s not a policy I’m particularly fond of, as someone who has worked hard (And at times struggled) to make $700/month student loan payments since the month I got licensed to practice law.

That said, I’ve absolutely had months where having that debt paused or forgiven would have made a big difference in the amount of credit card interest I ended up paying over the long run and I was nearly 30 before I was earning enough to even bother opening a savings account or start investing.

Some of those people are living paycheck to paycheck by necessity. I have friends who made reduced payments early on and now while I’m nearly done paying mine off, they owe more than their original principle.

It’s impossible to target that relief to the people who need it, And it excludes a lot of people who would benefit, but it’s not just pointless pork. That doesn’t hold water, IMO.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

OK. But the issue was whether you can do anything with a philosophy degree. The thesis was that you'd be a broke bum for the rest of your life. Quite the opposite is true.

That's one example. Hardly a glowing recommendation for the study as a major.

The one thing it helps prove is that a college degree in and of itself doesn't really mean all that much other than you can be trained. I can't think of a single degree where you come out of school and are an immediate expert in that field.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Shocking...

 

[BowlBrother85]

* If you are a person who does not trust polling data, then please just ignore this post. You really don't have to bring up the 2016 Presidential General Election again. I get it.

One polling anomaly that we are seeing on RealClearPolitics.com right now, which is hard to explain, is that while President Donald Trump's approval ratings have ticked up in almost every poll since the Coronavirus outbreak was officially designated as being a "pandemic" by the World Health Organization on March 11th, President Trump's approval ratings in his typically most favorable poll (and normally right leaning), Rasmussen Reports, have tanked. Trump has tweeted the results from Rasmussen Reports more than he has any other poll by far, and he has even referred to them as his "personal favorite" but I bet he won't be tweeting these results:

Rasmussen Reports - February 27th:
President Donald Trump
Approve: 52%
Disapprove: 47%

Rasmussen Reports - April 10th:
President Donald Trump
Approve: 43%
Disapprove: 56%

This marks the first time that Rasmussen Reports has had Trump with the lowest approval rating of any poll listed on Real Clear Politics. Trump's Real Clear Politics Average Approval Rating is currently at 44.9% with a disapproval rating of 50.8%. Rasmussen Reports has always had him above the average - until now.

 

[BowlBrother85]

* Once again, if you are a person who does not trust polling data, please just ignore this post. I don't need to read another reference to the 2016 Presidential General Election polls. Polls are fallible and we are still almost 7 months away from the election. A lot can change. I get it. This is just for the people who do follow and trust in polls... not for those who don't.

Real Clear Politics - Joe Biden vs Donald Trump head to head

RCP Average: Biden 48.9% - Trump 43.0%
Florida: Biden 46.7% - Trump 46.3%
Wisconsin: Biden 46.7% - Trump 44.0%
Pennsylvania: Biden 47.3% - Trump 43.5%

 

[LouderVol]

Do you think the version that cut off mid sentence was an accurate representation of how he actually sounded?

I assume you’re talking about the student debt cancellation. It’s not a policy I’m particularly fond of, as someone who has worked hard (And at times struggled) to make $700/month student loan payments since the month I got licensed to practice law.

That said, I’ve absolutely had months where having that debt paused or forgiven would have made a big difference in the amount of credit card interest I ended up paying over the long run and I was nearly 30 before I was earning enough to even bother opening a savings account or start investing.

Some of those people are living paycheck to paycheck by necessity. I have friends who made reduced payments early on and now while I’m nearly done paying mine off, they owe more than their original principle.

It’s impossible to target that relief to the people who need it, And it excludes a lot of people who would benefit, but it’s not just pointless pork. That doesn’t hold water, IMO.

1200 is needed for those who have suffered because of the government(s) shutting stuff down. But 10k for students who bought something they couldnt afford and dont need. Not sure what message you are sending here.

Pork is always just that. Pork. It's not pointless it's just self serving during a time where we are supposed to be coming together. Especially in Bidens case where he doesnt have to fork over the money. He just has to throw it out there as what "should be done" and let Trump, his opponent do what anyone would do, and not give out the money. And then biden gets to moralize.

Its political theatre and Biden is using a crisis to score cheap points he will never have to deliver on.

 

[RockyTop85]

1200 is needed for those who have suffered because of the government(s) shutting stuff down. But 10k for students who bought something they couldnt afford and dont need. Not sure what message you are sending here.

Pork is always just that. Pork. It's not pointless it's just self serving during a time where we are supposed to be coming together. Especially in Bidens case where he doesnt have to fork over the money. He just has to throw it out there as what "should be done" and let Trump, his opponent do what anyone would do, and not give out the money. And then biden gets to moralize.

Its political theatre and Biden is using a crisis to score cheap points he will never have to deliver on.

Hard to take the “we should be coming together” thing seriously when you dodged the question about the video clip, and criticized Biden for moralizing, but I’ve tried to stay consistent in not asking people to virtue signal and you seem like decent people so I’ll assume you agree it was ****ed up, but don’t feel the need to condemn it to me, and move on.

The $1200 is susceptible to the same pork spending arguments. It’s susceptible to the same arguments about personal responsibility and it’s susceptible to additional arguments about not doing anything since it will inevitably go to people who aren’t worker and were never working. Most people don’t go to college with the idea of living off the government feet (although I’d be lying if I said that I haven’t noticed a trend among some clients of “going back to school” to get the loan money and then not completing their education but those people aren’t paying their loans so forgiving 10k does nothing).

For the people who aren’t in arrears, though, I’ll have paid nearly $30k in interest on my loans by the time they’re paid off and I took the linear repayment track and never missed a payment. This doesn’t represent dipping into your out tax payments. For most people, they’re just forgiving interest.

Also the premise that being overwhelmed by student loan debt is a sign of irresponsibility or bad decision making is simply incorrect. Like I said, it’s been a struggle but my earnings now have already outpaced what I could have expected to make in my career before going to law school, even accounting for 3 years of low wages in school and the repayment of the loans. And I actually had a career with a few years years of experience before going back to school. If I was about 10 years younger, this would really saved my ass.

 

[zeppelin128]

* Once again, if you are a person who does not trust polling data, please just ignore this post. I don't need to read another reference to the 2016 Presidential General Election polls. Polls are fallible and we are still almost 7 months away from the election. A lot can change. I get it. This is just for the people who do follow and trust in polls... not for those who don't.

Real Clear Politics - Joe Biden vs Donald Trump head to head

RCP Average: Biden 48.9% - Trump 43.0%
Florida: Biden 46.7% - Trump 46.3%
Wisconsin: Biden 46.7% - Trump 44.0%
Pennsylvania: Biden 47.3% - Trump 43.5%

Something key to notice here is that Trump has to run the table on toss up states again like he did in 2016. And he very well may do it, I'm not saying he won't. But it is a lot easier for Biden to flip two or three states than it is for Trump to hold every state he won in 2016. It is going to be a tight election either way.