Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[WriterVol]

Pretty good.

Still sweat during the night, headache is virtually gone... from an 8 on Sunday and Monday, a 3 yesterday and probably just a level 1 today.

Biggest issue is just physical tiredness. If I don’t physically WANT to workout, things aren’t good... and I’m not there yet. Mentally I want to, but physically I have no desire

I'm glad you are feeling better. How is your mother in law?

Any chance at getting tested where you are? I've got a couple of old friends in other states that have covid-like symptoms. One can't get tested because they don't have enough tests in his area so he doesn't meet the criteria. The other finally got tested but will have to wait another 10 days or so.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

I had rewatched the Gator Bowl game a couple weeks ago. Was mad all over again. First thing I had told friends was that we can not go thru another year of Guarantano at QB. He just doesn't have it at this level to be consistent enough to be what we need to win. I see it in his eyes when the camera go close up on him. I played football at a high level until an injury cut my playing days short. The eyes don't lie.

yeah i've commented here a couple of times he just looks shellshocked. don't know what it is about the psychology of coming off the bench but he was certainly more focused then. looked a little more engaged. such a strange situation all around.

 

[MarcoVol]

Yeah, NY...

Doubt it...

Doesn’t specifically cite NY but the CDC agrees deaths are under reported :

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention counts only deaths in which the presence of the coronavirus is confirmed in a laboratory test. “We know that it is an underestimation,” agency spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said.
A widespread lack of access to testing in the early weeks of the U.S. outbreak means people with respiratory illnesses died without being counted, epidemiologists say. Even now, some people who die at home or in overburdened nursing homes are not being tested, according to funeral directors, medical examiners and nursing home representatives.

 

[WriterVol]

Yeah, NY...

Doubt it...

I want to get back to normal, too. I hate the economic impact this has already made. I still think the best way to get there is through distancing right now.

Once we're over this hump, hopefully we can put in some less strict measures while still guarding our most vulnerable just like you suggest. But I think we've got to get through the next bit first. We're all on the same team.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Doesn’t specifically cite NY but the CDC agrees deaths are under reported :

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention counts only deaths in which the presence of the coronavirus is confirmed in a laboratory test. “We know that it is an underestimation,” agency spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said.
A widespread lack of access to testing in the early weeks of the U.S. outbreak means people with respiratory illnesses died without being counted, epidemiologists say. Even now, some people who die at home or in overburdened nursing homes are not being tested, according to funeral directors, medical examiners and nursing home representatives.

You can counter argue all you want but the fact of the matter is.... Dr. Brix said the opposite.... Yesterday.... On live TV......

Have a vehicle collision resulting in death with a known CV-19 positive person inside... Died from CV-19, not the car wreck....

 

[WriterVol]

One thing I’ve learned on this board is that facts are not welcome.

@Bassmaster_Vol made his comments on this topic (which sounds eerily familiar to the exact same thing Tucker Carlson and Brit Hume said) based on the real numbers. Right, Bass?

I just hope we can talk about it without getting mad. That definitely goes nowhere.

I mean, I probably won't change anyone's mind anyway, but I at least don't want to make them mad while they ignore me.

 

[vol72]

You can counter argue all you want but the fact of the matter is.... Dr. Brix said the opposite.... Yesterday.... On live TV......

Have a vehicle collision resulting in death with a known CV-19 positive person inside... Died from CV-19, not the car wreck....

Yep. Believe what you wish, I choose to filter all of it through my experience and understanding. I do not buy into the panic promulgated through the media outlets. I caution everyone to pay attention to the reduction in personal liberty in this brave new world.

 

[WriterVol]

You can counter argue all you want but the fact of the matter is.... Dr. Brix said the opposite.... Yesterday.... On live TV......

Have a vehicle collision resulting in death with a known CV-19 positive person inside... Died from CV-19, not the car wreck....

You're being hyperbolic here. They aren't counting car crash victims because they wouldn't test a car crash victim. Here's a little more on the problem:

Source: https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/

Dr. Michael Baden, a Fox News contributor, said it’s reasonable to include the death of someone infected with the virus, who also had other health issues, in the COVID-19 body count.

“In the normal course, autopsies would then determine whether the person died of the effects of the COVID virus, whether the person had a brain tumor or brain hemorrhage, for example, that might be unrelated to it and what the relative significance of both the infection and the pre-existing disease is,” Baden told Fox News.

However, the number of autopsies being performed could be low due to the danger of infection, he said.

“Then you will include in those numbers some people who did have a pre-existing condition that would have caused death anyway, but that’s probably a small number,” Baden said.

 

[MarcoVol]

You can counter argue all you want but the fact of the matter is.... Dr. Brix said the opposite.... Yesterday.... On live TV......

Have a vehicle collision resulting in death with a known CV-19 positive person inside... Died from CV-19, not the car wreck....

I understand the point you’re making but that’s not quite what she said:

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem,” she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. “Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”

 

[Volinmem]

4 facts that require no argument:

1. You can improve many markers of health in a plant based diet.
2. You can improve many markers of health on a mixed food diet.
3. The maker of Game Changers has millions tied up in a plant based protein supplement business and to some, that might be considered a conflict of interest.
4. There are MANY reviews of that documentary that examine the claims and compare them directly to science so you can form conclusions based on more than one point of view. (Layne does not use kid gloves here.)

I will just leave that here for anyone to consider if they are interested as I’m certainly not the slightest bit interested in a debate.

Very happy for anyone improving their desired health outcomes ️

I'm certainly not looking for a debate here, I'm sure both sides of the fence use "results" that fit their agenda. I will only say what I have personally experienced since going plant based. I have been taken off of blood pressure med that I likely would've been taking for the rest of my life had I not made the change. Also, before the change, I had pretty severe arthritis in my neck. Some mornings I couldn't even raise up out of bed because it hurt so much. I would have to slide out of bed just to get up. Since the change, I no longer have any arthritis in my neck. Absolutely none. I have also lost 25-30 lbs while being mostly immobile due to an ankle injury (torn ligaments and tendons), that required surgery to correct, so I have done no exercising at all, just sitting in my recliner all day everyday, and lost weight. Also, my bloodwork showed several improvements, (cholesterol level decreased, alkaline level increased, etc). So, as I said, I'm sure both sides push an agenda, but my personal results are proof enough for me that plant based is a much better "diet". Thanks for posting some research from the other side, it was an interesting read. But in my view, from my personal results, the proof is undeniable.

 

[volatil]

Yep. Believe what you wish, I choose to filter all of it through my experience and understanding. I do not buy into the panic promulgated through the media outlets. I caution everyone to pay attention to the reduction in personal liberty in this brave new world.

I’m still feeling optimistic about May. I’ve said it from the start. I truly believe we resume our regularly scheduled programming. Numbers on projections are falling like a rock. NY is now discharging more patients than admitting for 4th straight day.

 

[SLICKYINC]

You're being hyperbolic here. They aren't counting car crash victims because they wouldn't test a car crash victim. Here's a little more on the problem:

Source: https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/

Dr. Michael Baden, a Fox News contributor, said it’s reasonable to include the death of someone infected with the virus, who also had other health issues, in the COVID-19 body count.

“In the normal course, autopsies would then determine whether the person died of the effects of the COVID virus, whether the person had a brain tumor or brain hemorrhage, for example, that might be unrelated to it and what the relative significance of both the infection and the pre-existing disease is,” Baden told Fox News.

However, the number of autopsies being performed could be low due to the danger of infection, he said.

“Then you will include in those numbers some people who did have a pre-existing condition that would have caused death anyway, but that’s probably a small number,” Baden said.

Re-read it then explain to me exactly how i'm being hyperbolic... Honestly though, nothing against you but, I haven't clicked on any of those links you provided because... Give them a week or so and they'll put out a story that contradicts that one.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I understand the point you’re making but that’s not quite what she said:

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem,” she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. “Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”

Yes, I watched it. Sometimes you need to take things literally or figuratively. Sometimes both...

 

[WriterVol]

Re-read it then explain to me exactly how i'm being hyperbolic... Honestly though, nothing against you but, I haven't clicked on any of those links you provided because... Give them a week or so and they'll put out a story that contradicts that one.

Well, how am I going to claim moral superiority if you don't even click the links?

I was saying your car crash example was hyperbolic. They aren't even testing people who died in their homes who had pneumonia symptoms. Why in the world would they test a car crash victim?

But we all want the same thing: to get all this crap behind us.

 

[WriterVol]

I’m still feeling optimistic about May. I’ve said it from the start. I truly believe we resume our regularly scheduled programming. Numbers on projections are falling like a rock. NY is now discharging more patients than admitting for 4th straight day.

The projections dropping is excellent news.

How do you feel about a resurgence potential?

Have you been a part of any discussions regarding fending off a resurgence and what that effort looks like?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

One thing I’ve learned on this board is that facts are not welcome.

@Bassmaster_Vol made his comments on this topic (which sounds eerily familiar to the exact same thing Tucker Carlson and Brit Hume said) based on the real numbers. Right, Bass?

I wouldn’t know. Haven’t watched or read either of those guys

 

[volatil]

The projections dropping is excellent news.

How do you feel about a resurgence potential?

Have you been a part of any discussions regarding fending off a resurgence and what that effort looks like?

They are scared of a second round. Just my opinion here though, I believe when they see less than a quarter of actual deaths compared to projections they will open it up and take that chance. Keeping folks apart helped with that low death rate for sure. If we can believe anything from China (HUGE IF), we have to watch Wuhan right now. They allowed the people out last night.

 

[Smokeytom]

Both of these are true for me. But I also agree with JacketVol. Sometimes the negativity gets to be too much. There's so much of it in the world already, it'd be nice to avoid it at times.

Largely, negativity = football forum + Gameday threads. Never, I repeat, NEVER go in the Gameday threads. They will suck you in and you’ll never make it out.

 

[bignewt]

They are scared of a second round. Just my opinion here though, I believe when they see less than a quarter of actual deaths compared to projections they will open it up and take that chance. Keeping folks apart helped with that low death rate for sure. If we can believe anything from China (HUGE IF), we have to watch Wuhan right now. They allowed the people out last night.

Italy is going to party before long, all the olds are dead! We got this!

 

[volatil]

My hospital census is way down. They are actually furloughing some of my co-workers right now. We should handle the surge (7-10 days). I volunteered for the ICU. I really don’t think they will need me at this point. I hope that is true because it means we are well on our way to being normal again.

 

[MarcoVol]

I wouldn’t know. Haven’t watched or read either of those guys

Where did your info come from that pneumonia deaths were way way down?

 

[ATC_VOL]

Haven't heard about this. When/where did this happen?

Yesterday morning at the Pilot on Strawberry Plains Pike exit.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Coronavirus screws up the rotation.

Puff puff keep....

 

[volatil]

 

[VolGee4]

Yep. Believe what you wish, I choose to filter all of it through my experience and understanding. I do not buy into the panic promulgated through the media outlets. I caution everyone to pay attention to the reduction in personal liberty in this brave new world.

I am a freaking criminal defense attorney, and I have no outrage about personal liberties right now. To me, it’s nonsense. But thank goodness people can have their own opinion. People are just pissed because they have to show some discipline.