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titansvolsfaninga said:
you kind of expect the medical community to approach it the same way they approach every drug, by doing clinical trials and so forth. I think they are kind of pressured because donald keeps touting it, and fox news keeps touting it, people are demanding it. Saying that it works, and then anecdotal stories come out.
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Doctors in France were pressured into trying by Donald before he ever mentioned it? How the eff does that work? And I would have to go back and look but I am pretty sure there were cases in the US before Trump mentioned it.

So the medical community is expected to just sit back and watch people die while they wait years for the testing? During a pandemic? If this is as bad as it seems we are in triage mode, anything goes.

And again there was bipartisan support for the Right to Try for this type of situation where there was no proven remedy.

Do you really think we have the luxury to wait for the testing? After we shut down the nation? Either this is an emergency with all hands on deck, or it isnt. Where are your beliefs?
 
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#33,778
titansvolsfaninga said:
I saw this last night

French hospital stops hydroxychloroquine treatment for COVID-19 patient over major cardiac risk
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One pt? I'm well aware of the QT prolongation. Amioderone is an antiarhthmic that is use in open hearts of which 20% will go into afib. Amioderone causes QT prolongation. It is the go to drug in afib. Do we not use it in open heart because it might cause QT prolongation? No. We use it and monitor. That is standard practice.
We use flouriquinalones in practice frequently. Do we just let infections go out of control because we are scared of side effects? No. We treat and monitor.
That article is super hype from reality of one pt. If they prolong their QT or have QTc numbers that are alarming we reconsider benefit vs cost to pt. This is the reality of medicine and practice.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
you kind of expect the medical community to approach it the same way they approach every drug, by doing clinical trials and so forth. I think they are kind of pressured because donald keeps touting it, and fox news keeps touting it, people are demanding it. Saying that it works, and then anecdotal stories come out.
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The medical community needs get off its a$$ and try to push through whatever medicine they feel will work as quickly as possible....
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
i work with NIH.....we do clinical trials. I know how clinical trials work.
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Not to be rude, but I think your politics are overruling your common sense. I take a handful of pills everyday that could have dangerous side effects. COULD. But my doctors have decided reward outweighs risk. And just because something COULD happen doesn't mean it will.
 
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allvol123 said:
Sounds like you're being circumvented. Probably stings a little.
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No, I know the clinical trial process. I know drugs are developed to interact with the human body a certain way. If drugs are administered wrong the side effects are worse than whatever benefit the person is seeking.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
If you stay ready, you never have to get ready. Everyone has the potential to kill.....so your analogy is somewhat true. Has everyone committed murder, no, but the potential is there. It just takes the right trigger.
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And here I thought us Righties are the ones that are supposed to be paranoid. You take the cake on this one good sir!
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
One pt? I'm well aware of the QT prolongation. Amioderone is an antiarhthmic that is use in open hearts of which 20% will go into afib. Amioderone causes QT prolongation. It is the go to drug in afib. Do we not use it in open heart because it might cause QT prolongation? No. We use it and monitor. That is standard practice.
We use flouriquinalones in practice frequently. Do we just let infections go out of control because we are scared of side effects? No. We treat and monitor.
That article is super hype from reality of one pt. If they prolong their QT or have QTc numbers that are alarming we reconsider benefit vs cost to pt. This is the reality of medicine and practice.
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I don't know what you just said but damn if it didn't sound good.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Hypothetically speaking, let’s say COVID19 is here to stay long term. Like a Seasonal flu perhaps or maybe it will be a virus that remains viable and spreads regardless of season. I have spoken with a few medical professionals here at UTMC on this matter and have received a mixture of opinions on the subject. One prominent immunologist told me that the he believes this virus will not disappear completely. The infections will definitely slow down but eventually, infections will spike back up. He essentially said that just about everyone will become exposed. Some will require hospitalization resulting in death, but most will recover from home similar to the flu showing mild symptoms. Humans are going to have to live with this virus one way or another. Flattening the curve at home is great but that is only temporary until legit treatments come available and a vaccine is created. If you have a strong immune system with no underlying health conditions your chances of surviving are high. Sadly, the data I have seen suggests that if you are on the other end of the spectrum health wise, chances of overcoming COVID19 decrease. We cannot stay in our homes forever; it is just not possible. Most of this information he provided we all already know & have heard many times. What opinions do you all have on this survival of the fittest idea? Thoughts?
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You can't kill an entire economy and destroy countless lives for a relative handful of people; I don't consider that a question of survival of the fittest, just ethical and moral logic.
There's no reason to expect this will disappear and not recur.
We can't shelter continuously or intermittently until a vaccine is developed perhaps a year or more away. Give it another ten days which will have been about a month, then get back to it. And do not return to sheltering/distancing when it returns.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
another side effect has to do with the heart
Hydroxychloroquine, Mayo Clinic said, blocks one of the channels that controls the heart's electrical recharging systems. "This interference increases the possibility that the heart's rhythm could degenerate into dangerous erratic heart beats, resulting ultimately in sudden cardiac death."
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And since being used for Corona how many times has this happened?
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
you kind of expect the medical community to approach it the same way they approach every drug, by doing clinical trials and so forth. I think they are kind of pressured because donald keeps touting it, and fox news keeps touting it, people are demanding it. Saying that it works, and then anecdotal stories come out.
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It's not like this is some brand new drug that we aren't sure is safe. If it were, there's no way doctors would be using it. It's been around for many years now. Doctors are well aware of the possible side effects and have the expertise to know if the benefit outweighs the risk for their patients.

For many of these patients, telling them they can't have have HC, a drug that's been around for years, until it's gone through a full scale clinical trial to determine the effectiveness of it against covid-19 is the equivalent of a death sentence. Right to try.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
One pt? I'm well aware of the QT prolongation. Amioderone is an antiarhthmic that is use in open hearts of which 20% will go into afib. Amioderone causes QT prolongation. It is the go to drug in afib. Do we not use it in open heart because it might cause QT prolongation? No. We use it and monitor. That is standard practice.
We use flouriquinalones in practice frequently. Do we just let infections go out of control because we are scared of side effects? No. We treat and monitor.
That article is super hype from reality of one pt. If they prolong their QT or have QTc numbers that are alarming we reconsider benefit vs cost to pt. This is the reality of medicine and practice.
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Whenever you get technical, I say "huh?". Then I give you a like because I trust your expertise, lol.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I'm going with 62,481. I think that if you die with the virus, they count you as having died because of the virus, even if you also have cancer, diabetes, heart disease and scurvy.
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This was my post the day that the White House was predicting 100,000-240,000 deaths. Now, they are saying 60,000.
 
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