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NashVol11 said:
The freaking pandemic will lead to immense pain for millions of people. Projections aren’t the culprit, unless you’re still suggesting we should have just left everything open
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Accurate projections could have led to a more targeted approach for quarantine. Instead a very heavy handed method was used and it will cause a lot of economic pain

Instead anyone questioning the numbers was accused of wanting everyone to die a painful death
 
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0nelilreb said:
Not that I read . Is there somewhere in that link that said he increased manufacturing jobs ?
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So you admit what I said was true. I didn't say manufacturing jobs weren't gained, I said the healthcare and service industries lead the way. But Obama.
 
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allvol123 said:
Projections are absolutely the culprit. Policy was made on them. Scorched Earth policy, instead of strategic policy.

Yes this pandemic will lead to pain for millions primarily due to the assinine approach we used which was done based on these projections.
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Sure, if by “them” you mean “projections and realities in NYC and countries around the world.”

I swear people are so eager to make this a liberal media conspiracy that they forget other countries exist, countries that have been getting absolutely wrecked by this virus with no influence from the evil evil American media
 
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NashVol11 said:
Sure, if by “them” you mean “projections and realities in NYC and countries around the world.”

I swear people are so eager to make this a liberal media conspiracy that they forget other countries exist, countries that have been getting absolutely wrecked by this virus with no influence from the evil evil American media
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Where have I mentioned the media in our conversation?

I am merely discussing the projections that are insanely off. The ones you want to defend
 
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NashVol11 said:
Sure, if by “them” you mean “projections and realities in NYC and countries around the world.”

I swear people are so eager to make this a liberal media conspiracy that they forget other countries exist, countries that have been getting absolutely wrecked by this virus with no influence from the evil evil American media
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NYC is a much different environment than most of this country. Why should a one size fits all be used?
 
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Mick said:
I support making all essential items to national security and public health here in the USA but that wasn't the goal of the Republican policies. I guess that just makes me a commie socialist. The stated goal was to bring manufacturing in general back. That didn't happen. What about you?
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BowlBrother85 said:
...and you are either (1) an amateur internet psychoanalyst reaching a diagnosis that you are completely unqualified to give, and is also of benefit to a politically motivated agenda, or (2 and much worse) you are an actual geriatric psychologist who is reaching a diagnosis without examining the patient (Biden)... which makes you unethical.

I'm betting you are #1... and your agenda is why your opinion doesn't really mean anything. And for every Biden gaffe, we have Trump talking about airports during the Revolutionary War and not knowing the difference between Great Britain and England and referring to Prince Charles as "The Prince of Whales" on Twitter.
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Have you not done the exact same thing to trump?
 
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Let's talk facts - 3 deaths in Knox County as of this morning (population about 460K). 16 hospitalizations. Deaths were a 93 year old woman, 86 year old woman, 63 year old man. All three were described as high risk group and/or underlying medical conditions.

With that said, the local economy has been devastated. Small businesses and their employees are taking the brunt of if. My company has slashed salaries by 30-50% depending on your role. We are a small business that provides fractional financial services to small businesses and about 60-70% of our clients have told us they can't pay us this month, or next...but they still need our help. We are still helping them. The SBA loan process is a disaster right now.
 
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allvol123 said:
Projections are absolutely the culprit. Policy was made on them. Scorched Earth policy, instead of strategic policy.

Yes this pandemic will lead to pain for millions primarily due to the assinine approach we used which was done based on these projections.
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Asinine*
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
The projections didn't foresee that 95% of the country would actually self isolate for the majority of the past month.

For once, Americans weren't stupid about something.
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IMHE was absolutely factoring in social distancing actions

"Even if there's a national order, we have to follow what the state is doing," says Ali Mokdad, a professor of health metrics sciences at IHME. "People will follow the rules of their own state."
... state action is what matters
IHME's model forecasts the outcome for each state by taking into account not just which measures state officials have imposed, but also the date on which officials imposed the measures and how much transmission was already underway by that point, as measured by the number of COVID-19 deaths. The model also considers how strict the measures are, with the greatest weight given to states that have imposed all three of the following options: closing educational facilities, closing nonessential businesses and issuing stay-at-home orders. The model is then adjusted based on what portion of a state's residents those various rules have been applied to. For instance, are the measures limited to certain cities or counties? Or are they statewide rules?
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5 Key Facts Not Explained In White House COVID-19 Projections
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes, he said that he felt it was a pandemic long before anyone else was (such as the WHO) calling it that. That does not correspond with what he was saying before March 11th. There is no wiggle room here. Trump lied. This is you going the extra mile to perform linguistic gymnastics and split hairs to give a proven liar the benefit of a doubt, which there isn't any to give.
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But we can only hold Trump accountable for what the experts who haven’t left/been forced out of government were saying. /s
 
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allvol123 said:
Where have I mentioned the media in our conversation?

I am merely discussing the projections that are insanely off. The ones you want to defend
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I think the backlash is a little overboard, given the crises that we saw in other countries and in NYC. I’d rather prepare for the worst than just count on it not happening, and if we waited until a city became a hotspot to impose stricter measures, it could well be too late.

I also realize that if the worst doesn’t happen, everyone who recently lost their job probably wants to punch everyone involved with the projections in the face. I think if it were me that’s not who I would blame, but I can understand it.
 
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utvolpj said:
NYC is a much different environment than most of this country. Why should a one size fits all be used?
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It’s not a one size fits all, we don’t have thousands of spring breakers gathering on beaches up here. New Orleans and Detroit have been hit hard as well, and again, there are other cities and countries that exist outside of our borders and were hit hard by this too. You’d still have to quarantine most major cities, which largely is what’s happening
 
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NashVol11 said:
I think the backlash is a little overboard, given the crises that we saw in other countries and in NYC. I’d rather prepare for the worst than just count on it not happening, and if we waited until a city became a hotspot to impose stricter measures, it could well be too late.

I also realize that if the worst doesn’t happen, everyone who recently lost their job probably wants to punch everyone involved with the projections in the face. I think if it were me that’s not who I would blame, but I can understand it.
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The worst? This is coming no where close to the worst of what was projected. You dont want to blame people that sounded the alarms? That seems pretty stupid.
 
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allvol123 said:
The worst? This is coming no where close to the worst of what was projected. You dont want to blame people that sounded the alarms? That seems pretty stupid.
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I think my post already addressed this. Yes, it seems like we'll avoid the worst, but no in general I don't have a problem with sounding the alarm and preparing for the worst realistic outcome. We can argue about whether the earlier projections were realistic, and that's probably where we agree to disagree
 
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NashVol11 said:
It’s not a one size fits all, we don’t have thousands of spring breakers gathering on beaches up here. New Orleans and Detroit have been hit hard as well, and again, there are other cities and countries that exist outside of our borders and were hit hard by this too. You’d still have to quarantine most major cities, which largely is what’s happening
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Not most cities just limit contact of large groups and take extra precautions for older citizens. For example, holding Mardi Gras was dumb. There's no reason to shut down my town the same way as NYC yet that's what was avoided by many.
 
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Septic said:
Should they be using models that try and project the best case scenario or the worst case? Monday morning quarterbacking is easy.
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Exaggerate the worst case scenario numbers and claim victory when we fall well below those numbers.
 
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