Coronavirus (No politics)

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utvols88 said:
That's on China and WHO only.
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Not only. At all. The perfect comparison is South Korea. Exact same head start (or lack of head start depending on your perspective). South Korea had good execution of their roll-out. We did not. We botched it. It would be irresponsible to blame that pet of our response on China or the WHO as it would leave us less prepared next time.
 
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TennTradition said:
I just wanted to differentiate what king meant. For me it doesn’t mean November and December. It definitely means late January and February.
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Wonder how many of our late 4th quarter 2019 pneumonia deaths were actually this virus...I’d bet that holiday travel in and out of China may have brought it back here and with the 14-28 day incubation that China reported it would put us into 2020.
 
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DynaLo said:
Wonder how many of our late 4th quarter 2019 pneumonia deaths were actually this virus...I’d bet that holiday travel in and out of China may have brought it back here and with the 14-28 day incubation that China reported it would put us into 2020.
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Seems unlikely given the speed of spread and the peaks for the US coming in March and April not January and February.
 
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DynaLo said:
Wonder how many of our late 4th quarter 2019 pneumonia deaths were actually this virus...I’d bet that holiday travel in and out of China may have brought it back here and with the 14-28 day incubation that China reported it would put us into 2020.
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My guess is not many, if any.

Doctors or nurses please weigh in here if you have direct knowledge - I don’t....but....

My understanding is that CV19 patients’ lungs are so rigid that medical staff have a hard time even getting them intubated. The chest x-rays often show a honeycomb pattern where the lungs have been eaten away by the immune system. And we generally see how this virus grows through a population.

While it’s entirely possible our first patient with CV wasn’t on Jan 20 - I also don’t think we were seeing a lot or maybe any deaths from it in 2019. I haven’t heard any medical professionals saying “you know in December we were treating a lot of flu patients that presented just like this.” It is just now that medical staff seem to be hit by it. Not then.

As far as I can tell the only person out there saying November cases ran rampant in the US is Karen on Facebook who will tell you her cousin had a bad case of the “flu” at Thanksgiving and it took her two weeks to get over it and she didn’t test positive for flu - so clearly CV.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That goes to the theory that this thing has been circulating in the US for some time. I think the instant antibody test is very important now. Need a billion of them. If we can identify which have already survived it then those can return to normalcy as the can't contract it or spread it. Also, they can donate blood for plasma therapy.
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I had a really terrible illness in mid-January. Fever, chills, body aches, and endless coughing. I coughed so much that it hurt to breathe and my chest was sore. Hardly any phlegm and nose wasn’t really much of an issue. I had to take a hot shower and stand in it for 20 min to get rid of the chills in the beginning. My fever got as high as 103.8 at one point. The worst of the symptoms lasted almost 72 hours, but the cough lasted over a week. I also had no sense of taste or smell.

At the time, I thought it was the flu, and more than likely, it was. But I keep second guessing myself wondering if I had covid-19. I’d give it really low odds, but I still can’t stop thinking about it.
 
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gordonr24 said:
I had a really terrible illness in mid-January. Fever, chills, body aches, and endless coughing. I coughed so much that it hurt to breathe and my chest was sore. Hardly any phlegm and nose wasn’t really much of an issue. I had to take a hot shower and stand in it for 20 min to get rid of the chills in the beginning. My fever got as high as 103.8 at one point. The worst of the symptoms lasted almost 72 hours, but the cough lasted over a week.

At the time, I thought it was the flu, and more than likely, it was. But I keep second guessing myself wondering if I had covid-19. I’d give it really low odds, but I still can’t stop thinking about it.
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Glad we didn’t see each other for a BasketVols game. Lulz
 
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gordonr24 said:
I had a really terrible illness in mid-January. Fever, chills, body aches, and endless coughing. I coughed so much that it hurt to breathe and my chest was sore. Hardly any phlegm and nose wasn’t really much of an issue. I had to take a hot shower and stand in it for 20 min to get rid of the chills in the beginning. My fever got as high as 103.8 at one point. The worst of the symptoms lasted almost 72 hours, but the cough lasted over a week.

At the time, I thought it was the flu, and more than likely, it was. But I keep second guessing myself wondering if I had covid-19. I’d give it really low odds, but I still can’t stop thinking about it.
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Where do you live? Travel much? By January it’d be hard to say it definitely wasn’t. As you say probably flu, but couldn’t rule out CV.
 
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TennTradition said:
My guess is not many, if any.

Doctors or nurses please weigh in here if you have direct knowledge - I don’t....but....

My understanding is that CV19 patients’ lungs are so rigid that medical staff have a hard time even getting them intubated. The chest x-rays often show a honeycomb pattern where the lungs have been eaten away by the immune system. And we generally see how this virus grows through a population.

While it’s entirely possible our first patient with CV wasn’t on Jan 20 - I also don’t think we were seeing a lot or maybe any deaths from it in 2019. I haven’t heard any medical professionals saying “you know in December we were treating a lot of flu patients that presented just like this.” It is just now that medical staff seem to be hit by it. Not then.

As far as I can tell the only person out there saying November cases ran rampant in the US is Karen on Facebook who will tell you her cousin had a bad case of the “flu” at Thanksgiving and it took her two weeks to get over it and she didn’t test positive for flu - so clearly CV.
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I have seen no reports of unexplained ICU admissions or deaths suspicious for COVID-19 earlier in the winter. That's why I doubt it was "circulating" here much earlier than we were aware.
 
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I’m sure in the coming months, as more information becomes known about the prevalence of the virus, we’ll see some scientific papers coming out about the spread of the virus outside of China, when and where. My guess is that it first came to the US late Dec or early Jan. but the first cases were mild or asymptomatic. As more people came over from China, it became more widespread and eventually hit the nursing home in Washington. By then, it was well entrenched and spreading.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
I’m sure in the coming months, as more information becomes known about the prevalence of the virus, we’ll see some scientific papers coming out about the spread of the virus outside of China, when and where. My guess is that it first came to the US late Dec or early Jan. but the first cases were mild or asymptomatic. As more people came over from China, it became more widespread and eventually hit the nursing home in Washington. By then, it was well entrenched and spreading.
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That may be the case, but it wouldn't take long before the typical critical deterioration seen in the most ill would have appeared.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
That may be the case, but it wouldn't take long before the typical critical deterioration seen in the most ill would have appeared.
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If the earliest cases came over from a young population, like students returning to college, the exposure to the elderly could have been limited at first. Certainly once it was exposed to the elderly, the devastation would have appeared rapidly.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Could be. No way of really knowing.
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Wuhan is a big city. I know there's no way of knowing for sure. But either this thing is as infectious as we've been told, meaning it most definitely arrived real soon after that first November case, or it's not as infectious as we've been told and it only did just get here recently.

I don't think there's a middle ground, and evidence is showing that it's pretty dang infectious, even if mild in the great majority of people.
 
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Heading back to work tomorrow for the first time in 2 weeks. I've been off the past 2 weeks with my wife and infant son. Its been very nice spending time with them, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not a little stressed about going back to the hospital.

Wish me luck. Unfortunately, old ladies still fall and break their hips and people still crash their cars with this virus.
 
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A woman in the county beside us who tested positive apparently came to our county shopping yesterday. She's known by some, because she works for the sheriffs department in that county. So instead of getting out in her town, she came to ours. Our sheriff put out a video saying she had been talked to, but the damage is already done if she spread it touching anything. Someone took her picture in Lowe's, wasn't even wearing gloves.
 
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joevol33 said:
A woman in the county beside us who tested positive apparently came to our county shopping yesterday. She's known by some, because she works for the sheriffs department in that county. So instead of getting out in her town, she came to ours. Our sheriff put out a video saying she had been talked to, but the damage is already done if she spread it touching anything. Someone took her picture in Lowe's, wasn't even wearing gloves.
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There is a good study out that said touch transfer is very low and that the virus doesn't last very long on surfaces primary mode is aerosol which means only the people she was in close contact with
Scientist in 'Germany's Wuhan' says coronavirus not spread as easily as thought
 
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TennTradition said:
My guess is not many, if any.

Doctors or nurses please weigh in here if you have direct knowledge - I don’t....but....

My understanding is that CV19 patients’ lungs are so rigid that medical staff have a hard time even getting them intubated. The chest x-rays often show a honeycomb pattern where the lungs have been eaten away by the immune system. And we generally see how this virus grows through a population.

While it’s entirely possible our first patient with CV wasn’t on Jan 20 - I also don’t think we were seeing a lot or maybe any deaths from it in 2019. I haven’t heard any medical professionals saying “you know in December we were treating a lot of flu patients that presented just like this.” It is just now that medical staff seem to be hit by it. Not then.

As far as I can tell the only person out there saying November cases ran rampant in the US is Karen on Facebook who will tell you her cousin had a bad case of the “flu” at Thanksgiving and it took her two weeks to get over it and she didn’t test positive for flu - so clearly CV.
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“CT of the chest reveals bilateral ground glass opacities in the lungs.” Doesn’t mean they are coronavirus positive, as that’s a common finding for ARDS, but if nothing else, it’s another indication that they should be tested for coronavirus.
 
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Regulator said:
“CT of the chest reveals bilateral ground glass opacities in the lungs.” Doesn’t mean they are coronavirus positive, as that’s a common finding for ARDS, but if nothing else, it’s another indication that they should be tested for coronavirus.
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Thanks. And great point on the ARDS - makes sense.
 
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