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Franklin Pierce said:
Nevada Governor Found Hoarding Hydroxychloroquine After Banning Drug

Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak, Democrat, had a kneejerk reaction to President Trump's optimism about a malaria drug that might be an effective treatment for the Wuhan coronavirus. Trump was hopeful about the drug, so anti-Trump Democrats like Sisolak were against it. Gov. Sisolak banned (hydroxy)chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, ostensibly over concern of hoarders stockpiling the medicine and causing shortages for patients who use the drug for other ailments like Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis. But while the governor restricted the public from receiving the potentially life-saving drug, Nevada's Department of Corrections began stockpiling the drug for prisoners.

According to sources at the drug maker, Concordia Pharmaceuticals Inc, Nevada prisons ordered a large number of their anti-malaria Hydroxychloroquine drug under the name, Plaquenli. Nevada prisons has literally ZERO cases of prisoners infected with the COVID 19 virus to date. The Nevada Board of Pharmacies and the Governor claimed the rule barring doctors from prescribing the drug outside of hospitals was to stop hoarding. After Sisolak’s ban went into effect, the State Prison hoarded the drug in a mass just in case they had break out.
Gov. Sisolak refused to reverse his order even after the FDA issued an emergency order earlier this week approving the drug for use against COVID 19.​
Unbelievable. And Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is no better. When reports that (hydroxy)chloroquine showed promising signs as a safe treatment for the coronavirus, and after President Trump expressed his optimism over the drug's efficacy, Whitmer moved immediately to block Michiganders from gaining access to the potentially life-saving treatment. Both governors cited concerns over shortages, but alternative medicines are available to treat lupus. And if they haven't noticed, we're kind of in the middle of a pandemic.

Drugmakers have already ramped up production of (hydroxy)chloroquine in response to increased demand, and people still need a prescription from a doctor to obtain the medicine. The FDA has now issued emergency-use authorization of (hydroxy)chloroquine for COVID-19, so the focus at this point should be making more of this promising drug, not restricting its use amid a global pandemic for which we currently have no vaccine.

Nevada Governor Found Hoarding Hydroxychloroquine After Banning Drug
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He was against the HCQ before he was for it.
These Resistance! Dem governors are awesome!
 
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Weezer said:
I read the lawyer's spin, but don't buy it. I ask again, why would several SEALs risk their standing in the community to make false allegations. Gallagher was getting close to retirement anyway, so "they didn't like him" isn't valid reasoning.
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No body/ autopsy is a tough one to get past for me.
 
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vols40 said:
Look I'm saying that I have the ability to read the story and see holes in the prosecutors case. I really don't give much thought to how bad people are killed during war.
No body/ autopsy
No murder weapon although some Iraqi DNA may have been present.
Unexplained missing camera footage.

Yes I think there are holes in the case. But if you feel this strongly about it you can look ole EG up and pay him a visit.
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Considering how light the verdict was, the military court took everything you said into consideration, which is why his punishment wasn't much more severe. But they saw enough to sentence him to time served, forfeiture of rank, and strip him of his Trident.
 
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vols40 said:
No body/ autopsy is a tough one to get past for me.
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He wasn't found guilty of murder. He was convicted of "bringing disorder or discredit to the armed forces". A much lighter charge. And possibly proven by his own tweets that he referred to as "dark humor". If he had been convicted of murder, he'd have probably received a life sentence.
 
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Weezer said:
Considering how light the verdict was, the military court took everything you said into consideration, which is why his punishment wasn't much more severe. But they saw enough to sentence him to time served, forfeiture of rank, and strip him of his Trident.
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And the president took that into account and disagreed. Nothing personal just disagreed. Like Obama did with the traitor Bergdahl who deserted resulting in the loss of life and release of terrorists. But in the end it was the President's own decision to make and life goes on
 
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Weezer said:
He wasn't found guilty of murder. He was convicted of "bringing disorder or discredit to the armed forces". A much lighter charge. And possibly proven by his own tweets that he referred to as "dark humor". If he had been convicted of murder, he'd have probably received a life sentence.
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I'd (speculation only) guess most Seals would be guilty of "dark humor"
 
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vols40 said:
And the president took that into account and disagreed. Nothing personal just disagreed. Like Obama did with the traitor Bergdahl who deserted resulting in the loss of life and release of terrorists. But in the end it was the President's own decision to make and life goes on
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And both Trump and Obama were wrong. No one is saying we can change decisions that were made, just that they were the wrong decisions. Do you think Obama did the right thing with Bergdahl? If not, why do you think Trump made the right decision with Gallagher? Because it's Trump? Look, I've been on both sides of the fence. I've defended him when I thought the criticism unfair, but I've called him out when I think he's screwed up as well. I think he overstepped in this case and should have let military justice run it's course. He should have left it alone.
 
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Good grief. Local ABC News gave Brian Stelter a Coronavirus segment to report his left wing rhetoric. No wonder I never watch their newscast.
 
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volfanhill said:
I don’t like you trump. You have an unhealthy obsessions with hating him. But you are a moron if you are blaming the economic hardship on Trump. And quite frankly we won’t have time to evaluate his recovery plan, with regard to its effectiveness, before the election.
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When we are on the other side, I think the legitimate criticisms of Trump will be:

1) Irrational minimization which caused people, his supporters in particular, to ignore warnings for a time, which contributed to spread of the virus.

2) Frequently invoking partisan concerns as a basis to act, or not act.

3) Frequently invoking a need to compliment him and thank him as a basis to act, or not act.

4) Frequently promoting inaccurate science.

5) Failure to invoke the DPA in more comprehensive fashion.

6) Failure to push for broader based testing, earlier. See #1 above.
 
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luthervol said:
Coronavirus: Did Trump's decision to nix pandemic team hinder response
'Gross misjudgment': Experts say Trump's decision to disband pandemic team hindered coronavirus response

"Bolton’s chosen approach to NSC 'streamlining' involved decapitating and diluting the White House’s focus on pandemic threats," Jeremy Konyndyk, a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development, wrote in a rebuttal. "He eliminated the senior director position entirely, closed the biodefense directorate, and spread the remaining staff across other parts of the NSC."
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"Russia collusion", "Trump asked Russia to interfere", "neo-Nazis are fine people" etc. - repeated a million times as if incessant yammering makes it true.
It's like deja vous all over again.
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As we explained in a March 3 story, the administration did eliminate a key position at the NSC but that doesn’t mean the entire “team” was “fired,” as then-Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg said, or that all of the functions of the office were eliminated.

NSC spokesman John Ullyot told the Post: “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.”

Some have said the NSC needs a separate global health security point person or team — as the Center for Strategic & International Studies recommended. That’s a matter of opinion, and we take no position on that.

Kenneth W. Bernard, who served in both former President Bill Clinton’s and President George W. Bush’s administrations, wrote in 2018 that this was the third time that an administration had “downgraded the importance of disease and bioterrorism threats in the hierarchy of national security issues.” Bernard said he worked in such a post in 1998 but the Bush administration abolished it in 2001, then reopened it a year later after 9/11 and the 2001 anthrax attacks. He said Obama abolished it again after his election, but in his second term created the NSC office.

Bolton responded to the recent criticism on Twitter on March 14, saying: “Claims that streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation’s bio defense are false. Global health remained a top NSC priority, and its expert team was critical to effectively handling the 2018-19 Africa Ebola crisis.” Dems Misconstrue Trump Budget Remarks
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The people inside NSC are saying BS, didn't happen; the unit and expertise is still here, funded, and functioning.
But say, isn't that interesting how Bush and Obama cut it, then later created a unit in response to major events such as anthrax threats and Ebola outbreak. And is that why Obama specifically attempted significant cuts to CDC/biodefense and emergency preparedness in four separate budget years, that I posted you moments ago?

Gee, it's almost as if even government recognizes agencies get fat, the missions that spawned them expire, and maybe - just maybe - they need to be culled?

Now, go to the corner, eat that crow, and remember this: everytime a Democrat opens their mouth in accusation of Trump, they just committed the sin they accuse him of.
 
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lawgator1 said:
When we are on the other side, I think the legitimate criticisms of Trump will be:

1) Irrational minimization which caused people, his supporters in particular, to ignore warnings for a time, which contributed to spread of the virus.

2) Frequently invoking partisan concerns as a basis to act, or not act.

3) Frequently invoking a need to compliment him and thank him as a basis to act, or not act.

4) Frequently promoting inaccurate science.

5) Failure to invoke the DPA in more comprehensive fashion.

6) Failure to push for broader based testing, earlier. See #1 above.
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1 of those are legitimate concerns with regard to the economy. I think he has used DPA properly. Everyone was complying with his direction until 3M and then he forced them compliance. Most of the other stuff his opposition did as well. They **** the bed over him preventing travel from China here. You remember what they called him? You remember what they said the threat was?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I literally posted the definition of brain drain for you, two posts ago, and you still have no idea what this discussion is about.

How do you cope with being wrong all the time and can you share your secret with @NCFisher?
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You aren't even in the game.
Let's start here: When was the unit in question created and for what purpose?
 
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lawgator1 said:
When we are on the other side, I think the legitimate criticisms of Trump will be:

1) Irrational minimization which caused people, his supporters in particular, to ignore warnings for a time, which contributed to spread of the virus.

2) Frequently invoking partisan concerns as a basis to act, or not act.

3) Frequently invoking a need to compliment him and thank him as a basis to act, or not act.

4) Frequently promoting inaccurate science.

5) Failure to invoke the DPA in more comprehensive fashion.

6) Failure to push for broader based testing, earlier. See #1 above.
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And honestly none of that **** matters to the public. Only two things will matter. How many people died vs expectation? And how quickly we get the economy running again. That’s really all he will be judged on.
 
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volfanhill said:
And honestly none of that **** matters to the public. Only two things will matter. How many people died vs expectation? And how quickly we get the economy running again. That’s really all he will be judged on.
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Well, I don't think that's fair to Trump. Some significant number were going to die, no matter what. Absent an immediate shut down order, anyway, which no on was calling for back in the February timeframe. It will be impossible to reliably quantify how many more died as a result of policy decisions by him or by governors, or by mayors.

I am sure there will be models promoted by both sides, depending on results. But a lot of assumptions will be made. So I really do not think raw numbers are a reasonable way to judge his performance.

For me, personally, I am just looking at the whole of it and making my own judgment about his action and inaction, what he has said about that, things I can fairly and directly attribute to him.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
So Far the Navy Hospital Ships Have Treated 18 Patients and the People Who Caused This Frenzy Must Be Held Accountable

Earlier this week, two US Navy ships, the USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy, were deployed to New York and Los Angeles, respectively. These are highly capable and high expensive hospital ships. The Mercy is staffed by 800 medical personnel and support staff, the Comfort has over 1,000. The concept was that because all the models predicted hospitals in California and New York would be overflowing that run-of-the-mill hospital patients, like car accidents, etc., would be sent aboard the hospital ships which have 1,000 beds each, this would free up regular hospitals to care for Wuhan virus patients.

So how’s that working out?
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The USNS hospital ships Mercy and Comfort have treated fewer than 20 patients combined since the ships arrived in Los Angeles and New York City, respectively, according to the commanding officers of the vessels.

That means the majority of the hospital ships’ vast spaces remain vacant — each can accommodate 1,000 hospital beds.

According to the Mercy’s commanding officer Capt. John Rotruck, the hospital ship has treated a total of 15 patients — five of which have been discharged already — since the Mercy arrived in Los Angeles on Friday. Meanwhile, the Comfort arrived in New York City on Monday and has since treated three patients, the Comfort’s commanding officer Capt. Patrick Amersbach said.​
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This experience is not alone. The US Army hospital deployed to Washington has had even less traffic.

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Read that again. Nearly 1,800 medical and medical support personnel have been pulled out of their regular duties of treating patient, put aboard ship and sent to where there is no identifiable need for them. As I’ve posted previously, New York has approximately 18,000 unused hospital beds at any given time. California has about 27,000 empty beds. The crying for more resources is a directe result of relying upon models that produce results literally no sane person believed. The primary model used is one developed by a team led by Dr. Christopher Murray of the Bill and Melinda Gates funded Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. Here is Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator, talking about the centrality of the so-called Murray Model on Meet the Press:​
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I see the point but would give this a little more time. The guesstimates are that NY has not peaked and could still push large numbers out when they do. Being in advance is about the only thing to do.
 
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volfanhill said:
And honestly none of that **** matters to the public. Only two things will matter. How many people died vs expectation? And how quickly we get the economy running again. That’s really all he will be judged on.
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I agree.

Do you think the WH intentionally went with projections on the high end? It crossed my mind when I saw those huge numbers come out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, I don't think that's fair to Trump. Some significant number were going to die, no matter what. Absent an immediate shut down order, anyway, which no on was calling for back in the February timeframe. It will be impossible to reliably quantify how many more died as a result of policy decisions by him or by governors, or by mayors.

I am sure there will be models promoted by both sides, depending on results. But a lot of assumptions will be made. So I really do not think raw numbers are a reasonable way to judge his performance.

For me, personally, I am just looking at the whole of it and making my own judgment about his action and inaction, what he has said about that, things I can fairly and directly attribute to him.
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Oh bs LG. You gave him an F grade on this before it was even here. You are incapable of being fair. Now what I mean by deaths and modeling is if it ends in the next few months around or under 100,000 deaths. Then it’s about how quickly the economy rebounds and how does his aid package help. And as far your February comment goes, can you even imagine the shrieking the Dems would have done if he cut off all international travel in January. How many would just default to racist xenophobic ****? All of them. Yet it would have been good.

Now where I will agree with criticism of him is that medical equipment should have been jacked up way earlier.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I agree.

Do you think the WH intentionally went with projections on the high end? It crossed my mind when I saw those huge numbers come out.
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Many in the White House were surprised he came out with those numbers. They were saying that the thought way less.
 
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volfanhill said:
Oh bs LG. You gave him an F grade on this before it was even here. You are incapable of being fair. Now what I mean by deaths and modeling is if it ends in the next few months around or under 100,000 deaths. Then it’s about how quickly the economy rebounds and how does his aid package help. And as far your February comment goes, can you even imagine the shrieking the Dems would have done if he cut off all international travel in January. How many would just default to racist xenophobic ****? All of them. Yet it would have been good.

Now where I will agree with criticism of him is that medical equipment should have been jacked up way earlier.
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I give him an F grade based on what he has done and not done and his reasoning. I give him an F grade because he cannot get past his own ego to make sound policy decisions. I give him an F grade for allowing partisan and his personal political concerns to dominate. I give him an F grade for poor organization of priorities. I give him an F grade for constantly criticizing anyone who disagrees with him and dares question him.

The raw numbers are not the point. But, there is ample evidence to justify an F grade based on all of those factors. In fact, I'd say the evidence compels the conclusion that he will go down in history as the single worst president to date.
 
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