Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[vol72]

Somebody already posted the first guy. He's German, and the video was over two weeks old. He said the worst case was 30 deaths per day. The last three days of reported deaths for Germany were 130, 156, and 176. They have been and are still rising. I think it might be a little worse than he forecast, and Germany is doing better than most of its peers.

I didn't look into the other 11 claims.

The responses quoted are a few days old, but they are still valid. The point is that a vast majority of deaths are elderly patients at the end of their lives, or others who have chronic issues, with Covid-19 a contributing factor.

Shuttering all businesses, schools, etc is sure to have a profound negative impact on us all. There are many who question the steps inaugurated by governmental entities to address the situation. It is prudent to investigate what all of the real experts have to say.

 

[VolGee4]

The responses quoted are a few days old, but they are still valid. The point is that a vast majority of deaths are elderly patients at the end of their lives, or others who have chronic issues, with Covid-19 a contributing factor.

Shuttering all businesses, schools, etc is sure to have a profound negative impact on us all. There are many who question the steps inaugurated by governmental entities to address the situation. It is prudent to investigate what all of the real experts have to say.

I get the feeling many of those quoted are academics. I suggest talking to doctors who are actually treating patients, even in those locations where the virus is not prevalent.

Dr. Scott Morris, who founded the Church Health Center here, was on radio last week telling people to follow all guidelines because it was serious. This is a guy who started this foundation for people with no insurance. He isn’t profiting from insurance companies. He is providing a non-profit service and would probably prefer not to be working non-stop and exposing himself. He said they were using up much of their equipment. He said the numbers will rise, but if people follow the measures, they will be able to prevent much more spread.

These are the people in which to discuss the topic. Unless he gets notoriety, he has no monetary gain in it.

Edit: And...the highest percentage of getting it in Shelby County is the 21-30 age range. Now, Shelby County has only had 7 deaths out of almost 700 confirmed cases. But it’s not effecting just the elderly.

 

[VolInDayton]

Has anyone watched the HBO doc about college baaketball FBI scandal? It's worth the watch but it's very one sided. At the end the guy alludes football recruits get more. I don't understand this if the money is coming from people wanting to be agents and shoe companies. If I wanted to pay a highschool and college kid trying to become an agent once he makes the pro, I would think basketball would be a way better investment than football.

 

[WriterVol]

The responses quoted are a few days old, but they are still valid. The point is that a vast majority of deaths are elderly patients at the end of their lives, or others who have chronic issues, with Covid-19 a contributing factor.

Shuttering all businesses, schools, etc is sure to have a profound negative impact on us all. There are many who question the steps inaugurated by governmental entities to address the situation. It is prudent to investigate what all of the real experts have to say.

It's a good idea to get different opinions, sure.

As for where the deaths lie, we have no idea how long a person is going to live had they not died from this. Sure, some of them are cancer patients with months, but those months are precious to them and their loved ones, and that's just a small subset. Many of these people could have lived decades longer, even those in their 60s and 70s. Heck, we've had recoveries from people north of 100 years old. And there are now deaths from babies under 1 year. How long would they have lived otherwise?

Let's set aside the demographics of those who have and will die. What do you think is going to happen to all the hospitals when 14% of all infected patients need hospital care? In a rampant outbreak, a common low-end estimate is somewhere around 33 million infected in the U.S. alone. That's 4.62 million hospital patients in a matter of weeks, where the average stay is north of a week. That's the low end.

Do we have that kind of capacity? What happens to all those people who can't get treated?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

What borough do you live in Nick?

I’m out of the city in LI, middle of the island

 

[vol72]

Edit: And...the highest percentage of getting it in Shelby County is the 21-30 age range. Now, Shelby County has only had 7 deaths out of almost 700 confirmed cases. But it’s not effecting just the elderly.

So, how many of the 7 deaths are ages 21-30? Were there contributing factors? Sure, all human beings are at risk for getting the Covid-19 virus, but how many are seriously affected by this virus alone and not by other issues? 700 Covid-19 cases confirmed with a total of 7 deaths in a population of approximately 1 million people is a small percentage. I am not debating that reasonable precautions need be taken. My only question: is the cure worse than the virus?

 

[Z06VolinWV]

Just saw the news on 3M. What a pickle they have theirselves in!!

 

[ConwayFitty]

The responses quoted are a few days old, but they are still valid. The point is that a vast majority of deaths are elderly patients at the end of their lives, or others who have chronic issues, with Covid-19 a contributing factor.

Shuttering all businesses, schools, etc is sure to have a profound negative impact on us all. There are many who question the steps inaugurated by governmental entities to address the situation. It is prudent to investigate what all of the real experts have to say.

This thing is extremely easy to spread, most who spread it are not even aware they have it for days. My sister-in-law works in a pharmacy in Huntsville and they had 1 guy that came down with it the symptoms overnight, got his test and quarantined. The next day he came back positive, everyone sanitized the facility and went on self quarantine. Fast forward a week and five of the seven other workers in the pharmacy now have it and they have had to close down indefinitely due to lack of staff.

This is a small example but these people were all used to dealing with infectious diseases like the flu on a daily basis, scale that up to a hospital sized sample and it is a very big deal when 50 percent or more of the staff can't work because they have the bug too. Then what should be you going back to an exam room, getting a rundown and a z-pack, turns into a several hours long wait to even be seen if they will even see you without critical symptoms. Even a healthy individual can be brought down by it if they can't be treated due to the clinics being swamped. Isolation will hopefully slow the spread enough to allow those who need treatment to get it and have the best shot at recovering.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Just saw the news on 3M. What a pickle they have theirselves in!!

Initially they had a way out by saying it wasn't them but their distributors but they didn't take appropriate action and sort of sided with their distributors. Not a good look.

 

[VolGee4]

Edit: And...the highest percentage of getting it in Shelby County is the 21-30 age range. Now, Shelby County has only had 7 deaths out of almost 700 confirmed cases. But it’s not effecting just the elderly.

So, how many of the 7 deaths are ages 21-30? Were there contributing factors? Sure, all human beings are at risk for getting the Covid-19 virus, but how many are seriously affected by this virus alone and not by other issues? 700 Covid-19 cases confirmed with a total of 7 deaths in a population of approximately 1 million people is a small percentage. I am not debating that reasonable precautions need be taken. My only question: is the cure worse than the virus?

We aren’t done yet. Those numbers aren’t going to stay static. I can tell you that I was told of someone who tested positive in a building that I work in. On a normal day, there are hundreds of people in and out of courtrooms, close together, touching elevators, tables, files, etc. over 6 floors. If these measures hadn’t been in place, I can’t imagine would could have happened. I have still had to go recently (with hardly anyone there), and I am still uneasy going.

The Health Department said one recent death was under 40. I don’t know any other health issues, but my guess is that he wouldn’t have died otherwise. We also had a local pastor die, and he didn’t appear to be over 55-60.

 

[SSVol]

Offered without comment.

"Case-fatality rates around the world are notoriously tricky because they are based in part on the extent of testing, but a recent study of the outbreak in Wuhan, China, found a case-fatality rate of 0.5 percent among adults from the ages of 30 to 59. The current estimate of fatality rates in the same age range in Louisiana is about four times that."

The Coronavirus’s Unique Threat to the South

 

[vol72]

This thing is extremely easy to spread, most who spread it are not even aware they have it for days. My sister-in-law works in a pharmacy in Huntsville and they had 1 guy that came down with it the symptoms overnight, got his test and quarantined. The next day he came back positive, everyone sanitized the facility and went on self quarantine. Fast forward a week and five of the seven other workers in the pharmacy now have it and they have had to close down indefinitely due to lack of staff.

This is a small example but these people were all used to dealing with infectious diseases like the flu on a daily basis, scale that up to a hospital sized sample and it is a very big deal when 50 percent or more of the staff can't work because they have the bug too. Then what should be you going back to an exam room, getting a rundown and a z-pack, turns into a several hours long wait to even be seen if they will even see you without critical symptoms. Even a healthy individual can be brought down by it if they can't be treated due to the clinics being swamped. Isolation will hopefully slow the spread enough to allow those who need treatment to get it and have the best shot at recovering.

Sure. Millions of people die from respiratory-related infections (not related to Covid-19) every year. Please read the link if you have not done so:

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic

No doubt Covid-19 is a contributing factor, but to what degree? Enough to shut down all commerce and activities in the United States?

Cold viruses are Corona viruses. Cold viruses/Corona viruses kill people - almost always those people compromised by other issues. Covid-19 is a specific Corona virus. The panic and total system shut down for this issue is the matter which needs to be addressed.

 

[jakez4ut]

Lots of stats being thrown around but I don’t see anyone talking about the increased amount of brunettes walking around when this thing is over..

 

[Geaux_Vols]

Offered without comment.

"Case-fatality rates around the world are notoriously tricky because they are based in part on the extent of testing, but a recent study of the outbreak in Wuhan, China, found a case-fatality rate of 0.5 percent among adults from the ages of 30 to 59. The current estimate of fatality rates in the same age range in Louisiana is about four times that."

The Coronavirus’s Unique Threat to the South

We’re #1!

 

[VolInDayton]

Offered without comment.

"Case-fatality rates around the world are notoriously tricky because they are based in part on the extent of testing, but a recent study of the outbreak in Wuhan, China, found a case-fatality rate of 0.5 percent among adults from the ages of 30 to 59. The current estimate of fatality rates in the same age range in Louisiana is about four times that."

The Coronavirus’s Unique Threat to the South

More reasons to build a wall around Louisiana

 

[UTSuave’]

This thing has been in the US a lot longer than we think and a lot of people have been misdiagnosed over the last few months. I’ll bet most of the population would have been exposed to this by the first half of the year.

My dad works at fort sanders hospital and he stated all the doctors there have said the same exact thing because it shows the same symptoms as the flu a little bit and that’s what they were writing it off as and the medication wasn’t touching it...so the conversation is definitely out there.

 

[SSVol]

We’re #1!

Sorry, dude. Too much good Cajun food done made y'all...um...bigger.

 

[UTSuave’]

Just saw the news on 3M. What a pickle they have theirselves in!!

I seen trump talking about that yesterday what did they do?

 

[UTSuave’]

He lost me with his second sentence. The others I've got no issues with.

Give him a break. Waiting in line is his thing

 

[UTSuave’]

Man we’d be fine if people would quit panic buying. I can’t find groceries because people are hoarding food for no reason

Dollar general opens up for a full hour just for the elderly @Bassmaster_Vol not sayin you’re old but it’s a opportunity for you to get what you need.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think it will be a game changer once we can get the antibody test that Taiwan has developed. Since this disease can have such a small effect on huge percentage of people that contract it, they can still walk around infecting others and never realize it. This test will show if you've had a it and if you have antibodies to where you are no longer infectious and have immunity. These test can be performed at home and is rapid. You basically prick your finger and place a drop of blood in a spot on the card. If one red bar appears across the card, you don't have it or have only recently been exposed and the body hasn't produced antibodies. If two bars appear, you have had it and you're immune and not contagious. If the second red line is broken, then you have it and are contagious but your body is producing antibodies.

Of course for it to be a viable option, Taiwan will have to share it and the FDA will have to approve it and a lab will have to manufacture them.

i think we're a lot closer to this, than a vaccine. i saw a video on a test like this the other day...basically it's like a pregnancy test......and if nothing else, if we can screen everyone between now, and the vaccine, we can at least reasonably determine who should be doing what from a qurantining standpoint, and have some reasonable expectations on cotainment, medical resource needs, and ultimately getting closer to normal....

cause really, i don't see the point in getting back to normal if we still have millions of untested folks out there that some % are infectious and don't know it.

 

[Aesius]

What borough do you live in Nick?

Love the avatar. I just started Sopranos a couple nights ago for the first time ever. Somehow I've procrastinated on watching the show for 15+ years, despite my brother and dad referencing it all the time. Already love it.

 

[OrangenSC]

Dude 45+ percent on the Diamond Princess were completely asymptomatic. Had it and didn't even feel sick at all..just one example. This is not a big deal for the vast majority of people..plus you know as well as I that the numbers are complety f 'd because a huge amount of people get it and never even get tested...The great danger of this virus is the crazy ease of infection that cause such quick and massive numbers of infected, and it's brutality towards the old and sick.


If this thing infected at the same rate as influenza, the number of healthy people getting critically ill would not be any worse, saying that..it is more dangerous because it easily infects vastly more numbers quicker.

Agree. many any who have symptoms don't get tested. They don't even want you to go to the hospital unless you have shortness of breath. So not only are many asymptomatic and not counted, many who have symptoms don't get identified, tested, and counted.

 

[chargervol]

Don't fully agree with either extreme but dang, the pattern is redundant.

Post the low infected and mortality rate - response: "but that's with the safety measures, the issue is if unchecked". Someone reposts the low rates without addressing the rebuttal.

Post "it's only these people that are going to die" - response: "but with full hospitals, other groups will die equally from lack of care"
Someone reposts the 'only this group' without addressing the rebuttal.

The rest are checking in for the roller coaster that is VN and getting stuck on a cheap merry-go-round instead
The beauty, nothing we say impacts a single thing anyway, silly to let it cause too much strife.

 

[SSVol]

Don't fully agree with either extreme but dang, the pattern is redundant.

Post the low infected and mortality rate - response: "but that's with the safety measures, the issue is if unchecked". Someone reposts the low rates without addressing the rebuttal.

Post "it's only these people that are going to die" - response: "but with full hospitals, other groups will die equally from lack of care"
Someone reposts the 'only this group' without addressing the rebuttal.

The rest are checking in for the roller coaster that is VN and getting stuck on a cheap merry-go-round instead
The beauty, nothing we say impacts a single thing anyway, silly to let it cause too much strife.

Truth is multifaceted and confirmation bias is a real thing.