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Ron Swanson said:
It blows my mind that people actually watch those shows for the “news”. All of them, left and right. It’s embarrassing.
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It’s not a new thing either. Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton each had media outlets that essentially acted as their mouthpieces at the start of our country. I do think there was a time, probably middle of the 20th century, when major media outlets put forth an honest effort to be somewhat unbiased and objective. However, that was more the exception than the rule.
 
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Take it from a lawyer, none of the rights granted by the constitution are considered absolute. In times of emergency and disaster, the government can make decision to infringe on constitutional rights, and depending on the right, they just have to show that their action was necessary under the circumstances. This doctrine has led to some horrible acts in the past (internment camps, alien and sedition acts, wholesale slaughter of native populations). There's no reason to consider these shutdown/shelter in place restrictions on the same level. Anyone can play the slippery slope game; it's not worth it.

I think a bit of skepticism is a good trait, but in situations like this, it's just stupid to delve into conspiracy theories. No one's coming out on top of this. Global economies are wrecked, and millions of people may die worldwide. No one wins.
 
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hotcypress said:
Take it from a lawyer, none of the rights granted by the constitution are considered absolute. In times of emergency and disaster, the government can make decision to infringe on constitutional rights, and depending on the right, they just have to show that their action was necessary under the circumstances. This doctrine has led to some horrible acts in the past (internment camps, alien and sedition acts, wholesale slaughter of native populations). There's no reason to consider these shutdown/shelter in place restrictions on the same level. Anyone can play the slippery slope game; it's not worth it.

I think a bit of skepticism is a good trait, but in situations like this, it's just stupid to delve into conspiracy theories. No one's coming out on top of this. Global economies are wrecked, and millions of people may die worldwide. No one wins.
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Yea, some on here know what I do, and I have stayed out of this fight. I am fiscally conservative but have a job that requires me to think more liberally. I have no issues with the safeguards in place, especially knowing that I have had some close calls. I was told of someone who tested positive recently. He and hundreds of other people would normally be in and out of roughly 20 court rooms on a daily basis. If these restrictions weren't in place, there is no telling what kind of effect it would have had on the people that I know or even me.

For those saying that we won't get rights back, I say that's nonsense. It's not worth the debate, and I agree that no one wins in this situation.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
The fact that EVERYONE'S right to assemble is being violated is no justification for the violation itself. The rights enshrined in the Constitution are inalienable. They dont exist just when the government decides it's appropriate and they can't be taken and then given back. To think otherwise would be an assumption that we dont actually have any rights.
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Rights aren't absolute, one example being if they take away another's right. Ie you can't freely assemble on someone else's property.

But maybe the most common scenario is when one right conflicts with another, in a way that both cannot be given equal footing. One of the two must give way, therefore they cannot both be absolute.

In this case it is in the public's safety. Similar to you being unable to use speech creating clear and present danger to others.

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Odds everything is opened back up by June 15ish?

I'm going with 80% chance. We will peak mid-month, curve will start to flatten by the end of the month, testing and treatments will improve and become faster and more widespread in May, and the floodgates of normalcy will open in June.
 
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Aesius said:
Odds everything is opened back up by June 15ish?

I'm going with 80% chance. We will peak mid-month, curve will start to flatten by the end of the month, testing and treatments will improve and become faster and more widespread in May, and the floodgates of normalcy will open in June.
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Whatever date gets me football, that's the right answer.
 
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Aesius said:
Odds everything is opened back up by June 15ish?

I'm going with 80% chance. We will peak mid-month, curve will start to flatten by the end of the month, testing and treatments will improve and become faster and more widespread in May, and the floodgates of normalcy will open in June.
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I’m with you on this. End of this month we’ll start seeing the curve flattening and the first week of June or so hopefully things starting becoming somewhat normal again. Hope and optimism & strong faith will get us through this
 
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GojiraVol17 said:
I’m with you on this. End of this month we’ll start seeing the curve flattening and the first week of June or so hopefully things starting becoming somewhat normal again. Hope and optimism & strong faith will get us through this
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I think there will be almost no choice. Economy will be hurting bad by end of May. Gotta open things back up and just have people be as cautious as possible about washing their hands and getting immediate testing if they feel sick.
 
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hotcypress said:
Take it from a lawyer, none of the rights granted by the constitution are considered absolute. In times of emergency and disaster, the government can make decision to infringe on constitutional rights, and depending on the right, they just have to show that their action was necessary under the circumstances. This doctrine has led to some horrible acts in the past (internment camps, alien and sedition acts, wholesale slaughter of native populations). There's no reason to consider these shutdown/shelter in place restrictions on the same level. Anyone can play the slippery slope game; it's not worth it.

I think a bit of skepticism is a good trait, but in situations like this, it's just stupid to delve into conspiracy theories. No one's coming out on top of this. Global economies are wrecked, and millions of people may die worldwide. No one wins.
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i wish you would have posted this two days ago.

lol. would have saved me a lot of trouble.......

but, seriously, really couldn't agree more. good take.
 
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Aesius said:
I think there will be almost no choice. Economy will be hurting bad by end of May. Gotta open things back up and just have people be as cautious as possible about washing their hands and getting immediate testing if they feel sick.
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Sitting at the Drs office so following every guideline possible. It's like your face knows when you're not allowed to scratch it!!
Make it stop!😅
 
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MrVolton said:
It’s not a new thing either. Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton each had media outlets that essentially acted as their mouthpieces at the start of our country. I do think there was a time, probably middle of the 20th century, when major media outlets put forth an honest effort to be somewhat unbiased and objective. However, that was more the exception than the rule.
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The Federalist party and the Jefferson Democrats each started their own newspapers, specifically to attack the other party. Jefferson used to write in under a pen name in his paper criticizing Adams while he was president for the 1798 Alien & Sedition Acts, but when Jefferson was president ,and unfriendly newspapers in different states were criticizing him over the worthless 1807 Embargo Act, he tried to have friendly governors in those states arrest those newspaper editors.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
It’s the way you’re framing it, in this sort of “dollars for bodies” exchange. But most people I know fretting about the economy are less worried about their 401k and more worried that long-term economic damage may end up costing more lives than the short-term effects of the virus.

They might end up being wrong, sure. But it’s not wrong to consider the possibility.
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Bingo
 
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