Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

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volinbham said:
Maybe you didn't watch today but even Dr. Birx said her early impression of this was that it was more like SARS and not anything approaching a pandemic. The WHO in mid January was saying no evidence of person to person transmission. His health experts were ambivalent about the travel ban in January thinking it not necessary.

There was nothing intentional here unless you want to condemn the entire medical advisory community.
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Whatever makes Trump look bad, but it's okay that Gov. Cuomo underestimated it.
 
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evillawyer said:
Elaborate. Plenty on here continue to prefer Trump to her. I would like an explanation why. Obviously, this is a massively, astronomically larger failing than anything associated with Benghazi.

Trump had all the warnings in the world about what was possible and he played golf. That was just as much an intentional act as deleting emails. He had all these warnings and said to all of America that it would go from 15 to zero cases. There was no support for that statement. That was a statement he knew full well was false in light of the information he was receiving. Again, an intentional act that falsely allayed the fears of millions, leading to a lathargic response that is now killing us.

Edit: And you wanna talk about emails that won't be there when oversight comes knocking. I'm guessing there will be more than 30k WH and executive branch emails that vaporize. In fact, we know a lot of the communications are already taking place off of government servers (see Kushner stories).
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You're overselling a virus being Trump's fault. I understand, you want it to be his fault. If you can blame him for it, it helps the Dems chances in the election. But a virus is a natural occurrence.

Hillary's emails were in violation of the law. We're not even discussing Benghazi. We're talking sending classified materials through unsecured means. People have gone to jail for that. She also destroyed evidence. Something else people have gone to jail for. But not Hillary. Hillary is somehow above the law.
 
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volinbham said:
Maybe you didn't watch today but even Dr. Birx said her early impression of this was that it was more like SARS and not anything approaching a pandemic. The WHO in mid January was saying no evidence of person to person transmission. His health experts were ambivalent about the travel ban in January thinking it not necessary.

There was nothing intentional here unless you want to condemn the entire medical advisory community.
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No one is blaming the medical community at large, or those in or advising the administration. It seems quite clear that they were all telling Trump and the political apparatus that the danger was real and escalating.

I think we all have a pretty good idea of what happened from there.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No one is blaming the medical community at large, or those in or advising the administration. It seems quite clear that they were all telling Trump and the political apparatus that the danger was real and escalating.

I think we all have a pretty good idea of what happened from there.
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Trump, from today:

 
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lawgator1 said:
No one is blaming the medical community at large, or those in or advising the administration. It seems quite clear that they were all telling Trump and the political apparatus that the danger was real and escalating.

I think we all have a pretty good idea of what happened from there.
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Runs counter to what Dr. Birx said today.

Find me any of the medical advisors arguing for things different than the administration did.

The CDC and FDA felt their testing regime was fine until they learned it wasn't.

Show the real examples of the medical advisors recommending action that Trump refused to take.
 
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Weezer said:
You're overselling a virus being Trump's fault. I understand, you want it to be his fault. If you can blame him for it, it helps the Dems chances in the election. But a virus is a natural occurrence.

Hillary's emails were in violation of the law. We're not even discussing Benghazi. We're talking sending classified materials through unsecured means. People have gone to jail for that. She also destroyed evidence. Something else people have gone to jail for. But not Hillary. Hillary is somehow above the law.
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The virus was not his fault.

A certain level of infection and loss of life was inevitable.

But it is worse as a direct result of his refusal to believe what he was being told. How much worse can never be quantified. But it is significant. We see him just a week ago denying its significance.

He has gotten better. I concede that. I do find it to be a character flaw that he won't admit his prior misjudgment of the situation. I a not surprised by it, however. I don't think anyone is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No one is blaming the medical community at large, or those in or advising the administration. It seems quite clear that they were all telling Trump and the political apparatus that the danger was real and escalating.

I think we all have a pretty good idea of what happened from there.
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We feel ya LG...

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Stew Cook said:
Chris Murphy back in Feb
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The CDC confirmed in late January that it was spreading person to person and added:

"Recognizing early on that the 2019-nCoV could potentially spread between people, CDC has been working closely with state and local partners to identify close contacts of confirmed 2019-nCoV cases. Public health officials identified this Illinois resident through contact tracing. Both patients are in stable condition."
 
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lawgator1 said:
The virus was not his fault.

A certain level of infection and loss of life was inevitable.

But it is worse as a direct result of his refusal to believe what he was being told. How much worse can never be quantified. But it is significant. We see him just a week ago denying its significance.

He has gotten better. I concede that. I do find it to be a character flaw that he won't admit his prior misjudgment of the situation. I a not surprised by it, however. I don't think anyone is.
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What are the actions he failed to take that the medical advisors recommended?
 
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volinbham said:
Runs counter to what Dr. Birx said today.

Find me any of the medical advisors arguing for things different than the administration did.

The CDC and FDA felt their testing regime was fine until they learned it wasn't.

Show the real examples of the medical advisors recommending action that Trump refused to take.
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You believe that lackey about this? Come on. She is a complete toadie.
 
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evillawyer said:
The CDC confirmed in late January that it was spreading person to person and added:

"Recognizing early on that the 2019-nCoV could potentially spread between people, CDC has been working closely with state and local partners to identify close contacts of confirmed 2019-nCoV cases. Public health officials identified this Illinois resident through contact tracing. Both patients are in stable condition."
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What did the CDC recommend at that time; in particular, what did they recommend that Trump ignored?
 
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volinbham said:
Pelosi Feb 24 - come on down to China Town!
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So I assume you support full Congressional oversight of the Trump administration response once we've flattened the curve and America has returned to work. None of this executive privilege subpoena dodging BS. Is that right?
 
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Stew Cook said:
Well, that's her prerogative, China Town isn't exactly Wuhan. Not much worse than attending a Trump rally, actually, if social distancing is a concern
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She's leader of the House - doesn't she bear responsibility for "not taking this seriously".

How about all the governors (including Cuomo who's been warned since 2015) not having medical supplies on hand for a pandemic?
 
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