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rjd970 said:
I don’t know, you can’t yell “Fire” in a movie theater because it poses a public risk. I would think this falls in the same category. Right to speech and assembly has always had some limitation.
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If everyone in the theater was in on you yelling "fire" then I believe you could.
 
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GAVol said:
I just posted that I don’t think charging him is really the way to go either. But one way or the other, he’s got to be made to understand that he’s endangering his church members and the public by holding large gatherings right now.

I’m part of a group that’s about to hold a meeting that I dread - the one where we cancel Easter services.
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I think you are doing the responsible thing by canceling services but I would defend you if you chose not to.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote
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From that article, also from the SCOTUS:

In 1969, the Supreme Court's decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio effectively overturned Schenck and any authority the case still carried. There, the Court held that inflammatory speech--and even speech advocating violence by members of the Ku Klux Klan--is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" (emphasis mine).
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Improper use of the saying is noted. However my point still stands. It’s a danger to the public at large to have that gathering, so the 1A can and should be weighed against that.
 
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GAVol said:
If literally EVERYTHING wasn’t shutdown, I’d agree with you, but I don’tThink a case can be made that any particular entity has been targeted.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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05_never_again said:
It isn't fallacious. The rights in the Bill of Rights are subject to limits.

The church service, in the current circumstances, was (rightly or wrongly) deemed to be a threat to public safety. It isn't like the shutdown applies to just churches, so there's no freedom of religion case to be made either.
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The only limitation to the BOR is harming others.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Justin, damn near everything you've said for the last month has been a crock of ****. You are so narrow minded you appear to not have a lick of sense.
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"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence."
-Charles Bukowski

This thread has posters who confirm the wisdom of that quote daily.
 
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Buffalo Hospital Fires Executive for Suggesting Trump Supporters Should ‘Give Up Their Ventilators’

A hospital in Buffalo, New York, has fired a top executive after she mocked supporters of President Donald Trump in comments on her Facebook page.

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Laura Krolczyk, Roswell Park Comprehensive Cancer Center’s vice president for external affairs, was fired last week by the hospital, according to spokeswoman Annie Deck-Miller in a statement to Buffalo News.

Prior to being fired, the hospital had placed Krolczyk on administrative leave after Michael Caputo shared screenshots of a conversation between Krolczyk and Lisa LaTrovato, another top official at the hospital.

Krolczyk’s comments stem from outrage over an article she shared on Facebook, which she used to go after the president.
 
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Dr Dread said:
The President’s job is undoubtedly tough, especially in times like this. Part of his job is to keep the public as informed as possible. This includes answering questions that may be difficult.
His initial response was to deny he ever said that, but reminded of his comments during his interview with Hannity. Then went on attack.
No matter how tough the job is, the fact still remains that it’s his job to figure out who gets what as it pertains scarce resources that the States are needing to get through this. Even on this board, there’s been a lot of discussion concerning how to determine who gets what and when, so how is it not proper to ask the guy who will ultimately decide that about his process in determining it?
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No legitimate reason, but this board is full of Trump apologists, who bow down at the altar of The Don.
 
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rjd970 said:
From that article, also from the SCOTUS:



Improper use of the saying is noted. However my point still stands. It’s a danger to the public at large to have that gathering, so the 1A can and should be weighed against that.
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The pastor is not inciting unlawful action simply by holding church services. He and his congregants have a right to assemble and practice their religion. Did he say anything during his sermon that incited "unlawful action?"
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
If it's an ancillary point then why are you using it to advocate for government banning assemblies?
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Because the concept behind it still stands. Your right to free speech is subject to limits. You have freedom of speech but can't slander someone, blackmail someone, say something false to intentionally incite a panic, etc. The church has the right to assemble, but not in a way that endangers public safety. There's no freedom of religion angle either, because the shutdown doesn't apply to churches only.

For what it's worth, I don't think the pastor should be arrested, but there are much better cases for you to select from if you want a "the government is trampling on our rights" story.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
The pastor is not inciting unlawful action simply by holding church services. He and his congregants have a right to assemble and practice their religion. Did he say anything during his sermon that incited "unlawful action?"
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I would assume the angle the cops would take is that in the current environment, the gathering endangered public safety.

This is another reason to start differentiating between low risk and high risk members of the population, IMO. Elderly people and people who aren't in good health really don't need to be out right now.
 
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05_never_again said:
Because the concept behind it still stands. Your right to free speech is subject to limits. You have freedom of speech but can't slander someone, blackmail someone, say something false to intentionally incite a panic, etc. The church has the right to assemble, but not in a way that endangers public safety. There's no freedom of religion angle either, because the shutdown doesn't apply to churches only.

For what it's worth, I don't think the pastor should be arrested, but there are much better cases for you to select from if you want a "the government is trampling on our rights" story.
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As I said, you can't use your rights to hurt others. That's the only limits on them.

Or that is they way it should be.



Don't take this personally but I see a lot of Luther in this post.
 
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