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Various treatments for this disease such as hydroxychloroquine is being met with scorn by the left and cheered on by the right.


I honestly do not get the politics of this. Why aren't we all encouraging all sorts of creative treatments in the name of saving lives here? Why is it that conservatives are cheering these treatments while liberals are discouraging them? I really don't get this. Can anyone explain this to me?
 
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508mikey said:
Trump wants him gone -- Im sure the clown Governor of Illinois would welcome him with his there could be millions of case by May talk
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Yeah, because Trump wants plausible deniability, if that's how it goes down. But you seem more than willing to say he's way off base.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Various treatments for this disease such as hydroxychloroquine is being met with scorn by the left and cheered on by the right.


I honestly do not get the politics of this. Why aren't we all encouraging all sorts of creative treatments in the name of saving lives here? Why is it that conservatives are cheering these treatments while liberals are discouraging them? I really don't get this. Can anyone explain this to me?
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There have been some dubious claims about hydroxychloroquine. There are people who rely on this drug for approved purposes and now it's not available because it's being prescribed as a preventative for CV19, with anecdotal evidence that it may prevent the virus from doing it's worst.

I believe one Dr claimed it cured 300 people 100%, or something like that. If it did, (which I doubt) it won't be long until everyone is cured, wouldn't you think?

Nobody will be able to suppress that kind of success.
 
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Stew Cook said:
There have been some dubious claims about hydroxychloroquine. There are people who rely on this drug for approved purposes and now it's not available because it's being prescribed as a preventative for CV19, with anecdotal evidence that it may prevent the virus from doing it's worst.

I believe one Dr claimed it cured 300 people 100%, or something like that. If it did, (which I doubt) it won't be long until everyone is cured, wouldn't you think?

Nobody will be able to suppress that kind of success.
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First of all let's get one thing straight: This is a Rx drug. This can only be given by a doctor. Secondly, are you seriously willing to potentially sacrifice human lives so people can take this for their arthritis? We're talking life or death right here. I have a 90 yr old mother in law in Michigan. If she gets Covid-19, you seriously want to deny her this life saving drug because you're worried about shortages? How 'bout another approach? How 'bout we do what Ohio has done and limit the amount pharmacies can dispense just like we've done with other things during this crisis? And one more thing...In a capitalistic society, how long do you think it'll take the drug companies to ramp up production of this drug?
 
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evillawyer said:
Great, we're sending food to health professionals that they have to eat with their hands.
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Oh brother. How can you possibly turn this act of generosity into a negative?

Here's the solution: Wash your hands thoroughly before you eat. If folks (particularly medical folks) don't get this by now then communication has really failed.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Data offers glimpse of how ready Chattanooga's hospitals are for COVID-19 peak still ahead

This is the **** that annoys me. I can't decide if stuff like this is misinformation or disinformation.

Now this article says over 12 months 1,600 people will need beds, 2.4 times the number of beds estimated to be open at any given time. My response is what sort of statement is that? Unless you assume all 1,600 will need to be hospitalized at the same time for 12 months, that ratio is irrelevant. It's like wondering how a school of 1600 can feed lunch to all students when the cafeteria holds 500. They should be factoring open bed days in a given year as compared to estimated patients per month and the average length of stay. But my guess is if you did that you would find the system can handle this influx without any horror stories. It also says there's only 59 ICU beds available, when two paragraphs before that number was 250. And then the same useless ratio is used again, this time with no support for how many would need an ICU bed. I'd also like to imagine the people needing to be in ICU were also in the pool of people that needed to be hospitalized(and thus the bed need should be lowered), but that's none of my business. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt as math seems to be some sort of foreign language to many. But presumably and adult wrote this and one of more adults reviewed this and thought it all checked out. Now is that multiple people being **** at math or is it multiple people thinking this fits the narrative I believe or want to convey, let's publish it. This story is one of many repeating the same "mistake" over and over again with regards to facts and numbers. Either there are a lot of people in the media that need classes on math and informatics or there may actually be a motive(unintentional or not) behind this current wave of journalism.
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I believe the article is saying that while there are (rounding numbers here) 150 ICU beds, 100 are typically filled with patients, leaving 50 beds available for someone like a C19 patient.

As for their numbers on hospital load, I ran some quick math. I assumed that the average patient needs to be hospitalized three weeks. The Chattanooga hospitals would need to serve an adult population of 300,000 for their math to make sense to me (that’s larger than the Chattanooga population - but maybe they serve a broader area?). Saying 1590 beds over 12 months is a weird way of saying it though.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Various treatments for this disease such as hydroxychloroquine is being met with scorn by the left and cheered on by the right.


I honestly do not get the politics of this. Why aren't we all encouraging all sorts of creative treatments in the name of saving lives here? Why is it that conservatives are cheering these treatments while liberals are discouraging them? I really don't get this. Can anyone explain this to me?
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I don't see Liberals scorning any potential treatments. It doesn't matter though who is touting them or trashing them. I have no doubt there are several medicines undergoing trials. If they find one that works we'll all know it and welcome it.
 
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Sea Ray said:
First of all let's get one thing straight: This is a Rx drug. This can only be given by a doctor. Secondly, are you seriously willing to potentially sacrifice human lives so people can take this for their arthritis? We're talking life or death right here. I have a 90 yr old mother in law in Michigan. If she gets Covid-19, you seriously want to deny her this life saving drug because you're worried about shortages? How 'bout another approach? How 'bout we do what Ohio has done and limit the amount pharmacies can dispense just like we've done with other things during this crisis? And one more thing...In a capitalistic society, how long do you think it'll take the drug companies to ramp up production of this drug?
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I'm not sure where you getting that I said any of that, and it's not only for arthritis, BTW, Lupus as well.

If you want to put your faith in this drug being a life saver, I'm not about to stand in your way. However, prescribing guidelines/supply limitations probably will. Call the FDA.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
I don't see Liberals scorning any potential treatments. It doesn't matter though who is touting them or trashing them. I have no doubt there are several medicines undergoing trials. If they find one that works we'll all know it and welcome it.
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Isn't there something like 3 state Governors (all democrats) that have banned physicians from prescribing this drug off label?
 
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