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#21,726
I40flyer said:
A QUOTE, is what the person said, not your interpretation! this is dishonest, even if you leave out one word, it is dishonest. But crap like this has never stopped the libs or commies.
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You're sort of ignoring the point. (But I was pretty close)
Trump's Statements About the Coronavirus
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Have a couple more:
Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
The number of jobless claims in the US was 3.3M the week ending 3/21. That is by far the highest number since WWII. The previous record was 695K in 1982. The actual unemployment rate will lag behind the jobless claims count and the American Trucking Association’s Chief Economist expects the jobless claim count to continue rising.
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Normally this type of news would tank the Stock Market, but not in this one. The vast majority of investors realize this crap is almost over, and Trump has done a great job before this happened, during this pandemic, and will continue to do so in the future-thus stock market has gone UP.
 
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#21,728
I40flyer said:
A QUOTE, is what the person said, not your interpretation! this is dishonest, even if you leave out one word, it is dishonest. But crap like this has never stopped the libs or commies.
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Also what is implied by a person's words matter.

When Jesus said "blessed are the cheesemakers" he didn't mean just the cheesemakers. He meant the diary industry as a whole.
 
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By the way, China has 81k cases out of 1.4billion people. The US will likely pass that number today or tomorrow. Does anyone really believe that China testing was as widespread and/or accurately reported as the US is currently?
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
Man thanks for posting the FluView information. I am having trouble concentrating here at work today because of this so I may as well dig my teeth into it. If you scroll down on the CDC page to the P&I Mortality Surveillance section you have an option to view the chart data. This spreadsheet breaks down deaths in the last four calendar years related to pneumonia and influenza and this was pretty insightful.

Since week 40 we have had 231,654 positive flu tests with 5,140 deaths. This translates to a death rate of 2.2%

In the coronavirus outbreak we have had 69,219 positive coronavirus tests with 1,054 deaths. This translates to a death rate of 1.5%.

Even with what we can measure the flu has been less contagious than the coronavirus (21,059 flu cases/week vs. 23,073 coronavirus cases/week) but more deadly than the coronavirus.
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Why not only use AMERICAN NUMBERS, otherwise you mix in those great numbers from Iran/Red China etc., please, only a commie would think those numbers could be counted on.
 
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newyorkvol said:
By the way, China has 81k cases out of 1.4billion people. The US will likely pass that number today or tomorrow. Does anyone really believe that China testing was as widespread and/or accurately reported as the US is currently?
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China also used their military to quarantine and I don’t think for one second they would hesitate to shoot those that disobeyed.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
China also used their military to quarantine and I don’t think for one second they would hesitate to shoot those that disobeyed.
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I40flyer said:
Why not only use AMERICAN NUMBERS, otherwise you mix in those great numbers from Iran/Red China etc., please, only a commie would think those numbers could be counted on.
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Sorry I40 from what I can tell those are only American numbers since it is labeled "Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report". I agree with you in that this would be the most accurate data set that we could pull from.
 
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luthervol said:
You're sort of ignoring the point. (But I was pretty close)
Trump's Statements About the Coronavirus
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Have a couple more:
Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.
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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio violates his own government's recommendations and hits the gym in Brooklyn amid the coronavirus shutdown

https://nypost.com/2020/02/01/de-bl...bout-nycs-possible-first-case-of-coronavirus/
De Blasio urges NYC to “go about your lives normally”


“There’s something wrong in the world where this kind of very small matter gets blown up like that by people, you know, who live in a world of public relations." Bill De Blasio

“I don’t live in that world. I live in the regular world.” Bill De Blasio

Where is the epicenter of this virus again?
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
Man thanks for posting the FluView information. I am having trouble concentrating here at work today because of this so I may as well dig my teeth into it. If you scroll down on the CDC page to the P&I Mortality Surveillance section you have an option to view the chart data. This spreadsheet breaks down deaths in the last four calendar years related to pneumonia and influenza and this was pretty insightful.

Since week 40 we have had 231,654 positive flu tests with 5,140 deaths. This translates to a death rate of 2.2%

In the coronavirus outbreak we have had 69,219 positive coronavirus tests with 1,054 deaths. This translates to a death rate of 1.5%.

Even with what we can measure the flu has been less contagious than the coronavirus (21,059 flu cases/week vs. 23,073 coronavirus cases/week) but 1.47 times more deadly than the coronavirus.
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This is the data at our disposal but I am failing to believe that the coronavirus spreads only 1.095 times faster than this year's flu. We wouldn't be locking down cities for that spread rate but a lot of this appears to be purely reactionary.
 
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I've seen all the discussions but please keep something in mind with projections. This virus will hit the highest viable populations and do what viruses do. It will affect the weakest creating a data hot spot. We can't fight something we didn't know was here. It's been here since Dec or Jan, viral sequencing alludes to that. Some have no symptoms, mild symptoms i believe are the L strain which will culminate quickly and die out. It's the strain that's least pathogenic. S strain is the most virulent and as of March sequencing is 30% of cases. It will not die out as quickly, especially in larger populations. We have no differentiation in the cdcs numbers as to strains, we won't have until all the data is collected. The previous cdc viral sequencing models may or may not be useful.
Virus patterns have a nasty way of screwing with data. Infected large population areas need to be in quarantine. They need to be taken out of the National picture. These largely populated areas with a high per capita are exactly where a virus will flourish. Families with multiple generations living together will be hit. Those factors will skew national numbers and state numbers just like Washington and the nursing home.

My personal opinion is that older or high risk people should shelter at home. Everyone else should go about life. That doesn't mean ignore all sensible precautions...TFWW. This is not the first virus and it won't be the last.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You cannot seriously contend that Trump has not minimized this. I will give him some credit. He was far, far worse about that in February and early March. He still does it, almost every day, and he can't help himself, but its better than it was.

I do think he should learn to stay in his lane. But his ego is so massive I have come to accept that he will speak with authority about things he does not understand. Personally, I view it as a deep character flaw, one that disqualifies him from office. He malkes a fool of himself on a regular basis. You are free to overlook it, however, to your heart's desire.
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Trump's actually had a very interesting, roundabout way of handling and talking about this. He put a travel ban on China in late January, which many in the media said at the time was an overreaction that reflected his racist, xenophobic, and authoritarian tendencies. Then a couple weeks after that, he absolutely downplayed it and was accurately criticized for it. He does seem to have treated it with more seriousness lately, but given how he downplayed it early, that label has stuck.

Regardless, it doesn't attract eyeballs for media coverage to say "Yep, I think the President is handling this about right," so therefore he perpetually has to be in a state of minimizing or overblowing it.

IMO, one of Trump's biggest communication weaknesses is that he does a really poor job (or you could say intentionally) differentiating between giving his opinion and stating a fact. He presents his opinions as facts, then when pressed on it says "Oh, I'm an optimist - that was just my hunch.' The media at large does the exact same thing.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
The number of jobless claims in the US was 3.3M the week ending 3/21. That is by far the highest number since WWII. The previous record was 695K in 1982. The actual unemployment rate will lag behind the jobless claims count and the American Trucking Association’s Chief Economist expects the jobless claim count to continue rising.
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And the stock market went up....only in America where greed is supreme....
 
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