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I40flyer said:
A QUOTE, is what the person said, not your interpretation! this is dishonest, even if you leave out one word, it is dishonest. But crap like this has never stopped the libs or commies.
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You cannot seriously contend that Trump has not minimized this. I will give him some credit. He was far, far worse about that in February and early March. He still does it, almost every day, and he can't help himself, but its better than it was.

I do think he should learn to stay in his lane. But his ego is so massive I have come to accept that he will speak with authority about things he does not understand. Personally, I view it as a deep character flaw, one that disqualifies him from office. He malkes a fool of himself on a regular basis. You are free to overlook it, however, to your heart's desire.
 
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Septic said:
I've worked as an RN and for a pharmaceutical company, we're a year away from vaccines, minimum. I've forgotten more than he will ever know about healthcare. His pet shop treatments are going to kill people, he's not a physician and should STFU.
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Actually, if you ever knew anything about health care, you have forgotten most if not all. You are a typical liberal liar, and you know it! NO where has Pres. Trump ever, not once, insinuated or recommended people use a pet shop med, because the name was similar to the drugs being used by French/American and many other doctors to successfully treat this virus. People as dishonest as you are, should never be allowed in the health care system, around drugs.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You cannot seriously contend that Trump has not minimized this. I will give him some credit. He was far, far worse about that in February and early March. He still does it, almost every day, and he can't help himself, but its better than it was.

I do think he should learn to stay in his lane. But his ego is so massive I have come to accept that he will speak with authority about things he does not understand. Personally, I view it as a deep character flaw, one that disqualifies him from office. He malkes a fool of himself on a regular basis. You are free to overlook it, however, to your heart's desire.
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You can not seriously contend that saying you are quoting someone, but purposefully misquoting them isn't dishonest. I realize in the legal profession being sleezy, lying, and misrepresenting the facts is normal. One of the plays from your SOP is to fail to address the facts, just change the subject ( not a lot), just enough so it may appear to the weak minded that you are in fact addressing facts. SAD
 
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I40flyer said:
You can not seriously contend that saying you are quoting someone, but purposefully misquoting them isn't dishonest. I realize in the legal profession being sleezy, lying, and misrepresenting the facts is normal. One of the plays from your SOP is to fail to address the facts, just change the subject ( not a lot), just enough so it may appear to the weak minded that you are in fact addressing facts. SAD
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Another famous lawyer trick is to take a point of irrelevant disagreement and pretend that it is THE issue, when in fact its minor. Complaining that a person has omitted a word from one quote -- when the vast totality of the evidence is that Trump is minimizing this way too much, is just not effective.
 
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Septic said:
I've worked as an RN and for a pharmaceutical company, we're a year away from vaccines, minimum. I've forgotten more than he will ever know about healthcare. His pet shop treatments are going to kill people, he's not a physician and should STFU.
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Weak. Where did Trump suggest people self medicate with a fish tank cleaner. Why did the couple not read the label where it said not for human consumption. He clearly was not talking about a cleaner that contained a variation of the drug used for other, non-human ingestion purposes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You cannot seriously contend that Trump has not minimized this. I will give him some credit. He was far, far worse about that in February and early March. He still does it, almost every day, and he can't help himself, but its better than it was.

I do think he should learn to stay in his lane. But his ego is so massive I have come to accept that he will speak with authority about things he does not understand. Personally, I view it as a deep character flaw, one that disqualifies him from office. He malkes a fool of himself on a regular basis. You are free to overlook it, however, to your heart's desire.
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I agree Trump needs to muzzle it most of the time. However, in contrast to how it's been blown up by the media it works out. They are literally trying to kill the economy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I used the correct standard. Your standard is pointless and misleading. That's why Trumpsters tout it.
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For the final time4, i did not post that graph showing that the US has the most cases world wide. I did not see you commenting that such a graph was pointless. I'll also add that the graph was definitely not posted here by a Trumpster. That I can assure you.

So now you're on record as stating that a graph that shows the US as having the most cases worldwide is pointless and misleading. OK. You might have a point there
 
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I40flyer said:
A QUOTE, is what the person said, not your interpretation! this is dishonest, even if you leave out one word, it is dishonest. But crap like this has never stopped the libs or commies.
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"And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Conference | The White House
 
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The number of jobless claims in the US was 3.3M the week ending 3/21. That is by far the highest number since WWII. The previous record was 695K in 1982. The actual unemployment rate will lag behind the jobless claims count and the American Trucking Association’s Chief Economist expects the jobless claim count to continue rising.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Another famous lawyer trick is to take a point of irrelevant disagreement and pretend that it is THE issue, when in fact its minor. Complaining that a person has omitted a word from one quote -- when the vast totality of the evidence is that Trump is minimizing this way too much, is just not effective.
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Trump is minimizing it? Let's go for a walk down memory lane...

While Trump was banning travel, the left wing media was saying this:

Vox: Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No. Jan 31, 2020
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WaPo: Get a Grippe America. The flu is a much bigger threat than the coronavirus for now. Feb 1, 2020 Lenny Bernstein
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WaPo: Why we should be wary of an aggressive gov't response to corona virus--Feb 3, 2020 Wendy Parmet and Michael Sinha
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NY Times: Who says it's not safe to travel to China? The coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn't work anyway--Feb 5th Rosie Spinks
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FLVOL_79 said:
People who die by drinking aquarium cleaner because they found a similar word in the ingredient list have done the job that natural selection should have taken care of long, long ago
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I guess you missed the part where Trump told them to check out aquarium cleaner because it has hydroxychloroquine in it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You cannot seriously contend that Trump has not minimized this. I will give him some credit. He was far, far worse about that in February and early March. He still does it, almost every day, and he can't help himself, but its better than it was.

I do think he should learn to stay in his lane. But his ego is so massive I have come to accept that he will speak with authority about things he does not understand. Personally, I view it as a deep character flaw, one that disqualifies him from office. He malkes a fool of himself on a regular basis. You are free to overlook it, however, to your heart's desire.
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Are the Dems not currently running a candidate that makes a fool of himself on a regular basis? Don't all politicians speak with authority on **** they don't understand? Trump has made mistakes, and yes, he has diarrhea of the mouth(and thumbs as it pertains to Twitter), but a lot of your criticism seems politically motivated. Do you hold both sides to equal standards?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I used the correct standard. Your standard is pointless and misleading. That's why Trumpsters tout it.
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Maybe I’m missing something, but I thing you and Sea Ray are arguing from the same side...that raw numbers are meaningless.

The chart was raw numbers. It stated that the US was gonna have the most cases. I think Sea Rays Point was that we are a big country that is now testing at a much higher rate, so the raw number will undoubtedly be high.

And lawgator is right in that raw numbers are meaningless.

But maybe I’m wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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lawgator1 said:
Another famous lawyer trick is to take a point of irrelevant disagreement and pretend that it is THE issue, when in fact its minor. Complaining that a person has omitted a word from one quote -- when the vast totality of the evidence is that Trump is minimizing this way too much, is just not effective.
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actually a single irregularity can alter its validity. People vs. OJ found that out with an irregularity in tranfer of evidence. Now the whole thing is shot. Just like something presented as a quote that was specifically altered. I have dealt with the difference of quoting and paraphrasing in an actual case for work.
 
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I40flyer said:
Actually, if you ever knew anything about health care, you have forgotten most if not all. You are a typical liberal liar, and you know it! NO where has Pres. Trump ever, not once, insinuated or recommended people use a pet shop med, because the name was similar to the drugs being used by French/American and many other doctors to successfully treat this virus. People as dishonest as you are, should never be allowed in the health care system, around drugs.
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If you say so buddy. Chew on a few valium and then go read the article:

Banner Health said on Monday the couple in their 60s got sick within half an hour of ingesting the additive. The man could not be resuscitated at hospital but the woman was able to throw up much of the chemical.
“Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure,” the woman told NBC.
 
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TennTradition said:
Based on this data:

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report (FluView)

It looks to me like the actual positive tests are only about 273,000 between public health labs and clinics. That’s through 11 weeks of the season, so about 25,000 cases a week.

I think the millions of cases figured is them modeled. Just as models currently suggest that a few million are infected with SARS-CoV-2, but testing is going to indicate a lower number. I won’t claim to know what the actual number is.

I think modeling hospitalizations is probably the best tool we have during an epidemic because there’s too much uncertainty in total case count.

It’s why I keep going back to the Princess Diamond numbers because they are some of the best we have and were a decent sample size. Based on that, a demographic-adjusted mortality rate of 0.8% seems reasonable.
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Man thanks for posting the FluView information. I am having trouble concentrating here at work today because of this so I may as well dig my teeth into it. If you scroll down on the CDC page to the P&I Mortality Surveillance section you have an option to view the chart data. This spreadsheet breaks down deaths in the last four calendar years related to pneumonia and influenza and this was pretty insightful.

Since week 40 we have had 231,654 positive flu tests with 5,140 deaths. This translates to a death rate of 2.2%

In the coronavirus outbreak we have had 69,219 positive coronavirus tests with 1,054 deaths. This translates to a death rate of 1.5%.

Even with what we can measure the flu has been less contagious than the coronavirus (21,059 flu cases/week vs. 23,073 coronavirus cases/week) but 1.47 times more deadly than the coronavirus.
 
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