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I wouldn't bank on it unless curing senility is a rare side effect of the virus and Joe Biden is extremely lucky.

The Dems could have learned their lesson and ran any number of candidates. I would have easily voted for Klobuchar or Bloomburg over Trump.

Instead our final two are a Communist and the corrupt career politician who can't put four words together.

Assuming the virus is under control and the economy is on an uptick by November, Trump wins again IMO.
Klobuchar, yes. Bloomberg, no. Bloomberg is the Democrat Trump.
 
Klobuchar, yes. Bloomberg, no. Bloomberg is the Democrat Trump.
For a long time people were really warm to the idea of an outsider who had enough money to fund his own campaign and not be swayed by lobbyists.

Trump got people off that notion real quick.

From my perspective Trump is a cigarette. Decent policy in an awful delivery system. For all the dumbassery that comes out of his mouth, we've seen some foreign policy from him that's been superb in my estimation, minus a rocky start

Bloomburg would be mostly the same with no Twitter. Sounds good to me.

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Sounded good anyway lol
 
What I don’t understand is the “essential employees”. Almost everything must be “essential” because everything outside of shopping centers, boutiques, and restaurants are still open.
 
I think the panic will be worse when the daily large death toll numbers start to pour in at about the same time people have been cooped up for 10 days. They are going to be hitting a mental wall while at the same time experiencing the very opposite of a payoff.

I know you're of the opinion that the response in America has been a severe overreaction. I don't know if that is right or wrong. I do wonder why every country to experience this has taken such draconian measures to combat it. I was up late when this was being covered on the overnight Asian market coverage on Bloomberg (only channel that covers Asian markets overnight) in mid January, and the reporters in Asia were describing actions that I simply couldn't reconcile with the numbers being reported. At that time I remember China was only reporting hundreds sick. Look back through this thread from post 250 - 300 (specifically post 268). Look at the actions China was taking to limit spread when only a few hundred were sick. Now I don't believe their numbers, but their actions to limit spread were certainly not commensurate with the numbers being reported.

I am not a chicken little personality, but there is still something about this that simply doesn't add up. Why would every country go to such lengths to stop this? Why would India lock down 1.3B people with four hours notice when there are less than 1,000 sick there? Why would the largest companies, industries, and sports leagues on the planet stop in their tracks? As much as these companies and countries like money, I simply can't reconcile why they would do this if this wasn't a serious threat.

I'm not posting this as an argument, because, again, I don't know what the right answer is. But when I see the response from around the world in both the public and private sector, it seems like there is something that we are missing. Just my two cents.
 
And early on he had no idea how bad it might be...2 days after WHO said CORVID-19 was a pandemic Trump declared a national emergency....how long did it take Obama to do the same even though the virus originated here?

Within a week of the first detected case, the CDC launched its emergency operations center (April 22)

Obama declared it a public health emergency within a week and a half of the first case being detected (20 cases at that time)

Within two weeks of the first detected case, the FDA has approved a test for the virus.
The WHO declared H1N1 a pandemic about 8 weeks after the first case was detected.

Clinical trials for a vaccine began by July. The vaccine was available by October.

Cases died down in late July but a second wave cane in August.

By October between season flu and H1N1 hospitals needed additional resources and Obama raised the public health emergency to a national emergency to give them the flexibility they needed. He also launched efforts to encourage vaccination.

I’m not a medical professional so I’ll leave it to those that were practicing in 2009 to tell me if Obama waiting until October to raise the public health emergency to a national emergency was a problem. But I don’t perceive, looking back on the timeline, that it was.

So I think we can dispense with the notion Obama did nothing or that the current dire warnings are simply the result of bad actors wanting to create panic to make Trump look bad.

We failed when it comes to scaling up our testing. We had our first confirmed case in January, within a day of South Korea. We had our first test for SARS-CoV-2 by early February, within a day of South Korea’s approved test. What happened between that approval and deployed testing by the end of the month is a sad story of multiple missteps that led us to having tested only 1100 specimens by early March when South Korea had tested almost 200,000.

This, aside from Trump’s I ability to communicate complex concepts, is the only big error/misstep I’ve seen so far from our nation’s response under Trump to this pandemic. Criticism of that is completely fair and even necessary.

Other than the big problems with testing - and aside from some small disagreements around the Defense Production Act - you don’t hear states having big problems with the federal government. I’m not here to complain about Trump’s every action. But the H1N1 story is not a helpful analogue with its 0.02% fatality rate. The concern over this pandemic is not created to destroy Trump. It’s valid concern.
 
Within a week of the first detected case, the CDC launched its emergency operations center (April 22)

Obama declared it a public health emergency within a week and a half of the first case being detected (20 cases at that time)

Within two weeks of the first detected case, the FDA has approved a test for the virus.
The WHO declared H1N1 a pandemic about 8 weeks after the first case was detected.

Clinical trials for a vaccine began by July. The vaccine was available by October.

Cases died down in late July but a second wave cane in August.

By October between season flu and H1N1 hospitals needed additional resources and Obama raised the public health emergency to a national emergency to give them the flexibility they needed. He also launched efforts to encourage vaccination.

I’m not a medical professional so I’ll leave it to those that were practicing in 2009 to tell me if Obama waiting until October to raise the public health emergency to a national emergency was a problem. But I don’t perceive, looking back on the timeline, that it was.

So I think we can dispense with the notion Obama did nothing or that the current dire warnings are simply the result of bad actors wanting to create panic to make Trump look bad.

We failed when it comes to scaling up our testing. We had our first confirmed case in January, within a day of South Korea. We had our first test for SARS-CoV-2 by early February, within a day of South Korea’s approved test. What happened between that approval and deployed testing by the end of the month is a sad story of multiple missteps that led us to having tested only 1100 specimens by early March when South Korea had tested almost 200,000.

This, aside from Trump’s I ability to communicate complex concepts, is the only big error/misstep I’ve seen so far from our nation’s response under Trump to this pandemic. Criticism of that is completely fair and even necessary.

Other than the big problems with testing - and aside from some small disagreements around the Defense Production Act - you don’t hear states having big problems with the federal government. I’m not here to complain about Trump’s every action. But the H1N1 story is not a helpful analogue with its 0.02% fatality rate. The concern over this pandemic is not created to destroy Trump. It’s valid concern.
That's alot of typing all you had to say was no Obama didn't declare a national emergency for months after the WHO warned of a pandemic but you keep apologizing for his failure to control a virus that killed 500k
 
I wouldn't bank on it unless curing senility is a rare side effect of the virus and Joe Biden is extremely lucky.

The Dems could have learned their lesson and ran any number of candidates. I would have easily voted for Klobuchar or Bloomburg over Trump.

Instead our final two are a Communist and the corrupt career politician who can't put four words together.

Assuming the virus is under control and the economy is on an uptick by November, Trump wins again IMO.
Replace Bloomberg with Pete and you got a deal.
 
That's alot of typing all you had to say was no Obama didn't declare a national emergency for months after the WHO warned of a pandemic but you keep apologizing for his failure to control a virus that killed 500k

You realize it is silly to point to a data point if that data point wasn’t inappropriate don’t you? Was there a national emergency up to that point? Is there one now?

The typing is to
1)Remind you that it is incorrect to say Obama did nothing
2)Make the case that the response required for this pandemic is going to be fundamentally different than that required for SARS-CoV-2. And the actions being taken demonstrate that.

Comparisons are unhelpful to the current situation. As is citing a global upper range of deaths (lower range is more like 175k) when the US deaths were around 12k and we will pass that in the next two weeks if we don’t see a downturn in established trends due to the efforts being taken to quarantine.
 
I wouldn't bank on it unless curing senility is a rare side effect of the virus and Joe Biden is extremely lucky.

The Dems could have learned their lesson and ran any number of candidates. I would have easily voted for Klobuchar or Bloomburg over Trump.

Instead our final two are a Communist and the corrupt career politician who can't put four words together.

Assuming the virus is under control and the economy is on an uptick by November, Trump wins again IMO.
yeah Bloomberg keeps his promises https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article241433021.html
After abrupt layoffs, Bloomberg campaign workers file suit, claim broken promise
 
You realize it is silly to point to a data point if that data point wasn’t inappropriate don’t you? Was there a national emergency up to that point? Is there one now?

The typing is to
1)Remind you that it is incorrect to say Obama did nothing
2)Make the case that the response required for this pandemic is going to be fundamentally different than that required for SARS-CoV-2. And the actions being taken demonstrate that.

Comparisons are unhelpful to the current situation. As is citing a global upper range of deaths (lower range is more like 175k) when the US deaths were around 12k and we will pass that in the next two weeks if we don’t see a downturn in established trends due to the efforts being taken to quarantine.
Yes Trump declared a national emergency 2 days after the WHO named coronavirus a pandemic....How about Obama ordering a stay at home and quarantines...anything that could have contained it
 
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