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millst987 said:
For the peeps calling this a common flu:

Shared from Dr. Mayur Patel (a very credible Pulmonologist I have worked with personally). People please don’t take this lightly

Understanding COVID-19.....simply A complex disease

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... i.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
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This needs to be posted in the Coronavirus thread in The Pub. People over there who are still comparing this to flu numbers.

As I have previously said, just ask your doctor or friends who are doctors. They are the professionals, and people you trust telling you what they know. I heard it almost 2 weeks ago- “maybe a bit media driven but this is different than the flu and people need to be cautious.”

The economic impact stinks. I get it. But there are a lot of retired or “older” people who have a bunch of money and would like to be around to continue to spend it, too.
 
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millst987 said:
For the peeps calling this a common flu:

Shared from Dr. Mayur Patel (a very credible Pulmonologist I have worked with personally). People please don’t take this lightly

Understanding COVID-19.....simply A complex disease

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... i.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
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Thanks for sharing Brother
 
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chargervol said:
Here's the simplest fact. The number of cases that we're discussing is with all of the extreme measures that have been put in place. If we were ignoring it like the flu, the numbers would be much higher and that means the serious cases would be higher also.

We're still in regular flu season also. We simply do not have the medical infrastructure to not "flatten the curve".
I get it, the media likes to fear monger, that's true. But that doesn't change basic math. In the US, 1 in 13 had/have asthma not counting other respiratory illnesses. There would be too many requiring some form of treatment to simply ignore it.
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A. I’m now pretty convinced that this virus has the potential to kill millions, if left unchecked.

B. I’m also convinced that if we all stay hunkered in our houses for too much longer, we’ll end up causing a global economic depression, which has the potential to kill millions (albeit over a longer time period), AND potentially ruin hundreds of millions of lives.

As callous as it sounds, at some point the possibility of B has to enter to our calculus of how we handle A. Especially since the occurrence of B doesn’t even guarantee resolution of A.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
He was also a cancer survivor. I think folks with a previous history of cancer don't fare to well. I recall a 30 something breast cancer survivor from Maryland died early on as well.
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42 year old female from Washington had breast cancer previously, and she didn’t make it. Had 6 kids, and she had previously lost her husband, too.
 
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chargervol said:
I have no idea what I have, been running a fever near 104 for 2 days, can't stop coughing and don't feel like moving. And the worst part, it's kicked my pancreas into high gear😕

This is following my son doing the same for the last week but his was much more mild, slightly lethargic, only around 100° temp but more coughing. Honestly thought it was his allergies.

Might be a severe cold or the regular flu, for all I know. But if it is the other, stats can gtfo.. this absolutely sucks.
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So sorry brother. Hoping very much you get better soon.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Funny because virologist have stated that this virus mutates slowly. There are currently only two strains of this virus.

On top of that, this virus has been in animals for numerous years with vets treating it. I find it funny that those so called people who said they “track” it so closely didn’t notice it was starting to mutate.

I am not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, however, I believe that this virus came from a lab. There is no way that an animal to human / human to human jump happened in just 2 weeks.
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I agree. I dont know if China purposely released the virus or an animal they were testing it on got away. But I dont think this think mutated to humans on its own
 
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1. Diseases jump species all the time. We have similar immune systems and cell structure to a number of animals, so small mutations can result in cross-species infection. It is difficult if not impossible to predict this stuff and is an open area of research
2. Evolutionary speaking it is usually in a virus' interest to not make people crazy sick and dead. That gets people identified and isolated fast which prohibits transmission. The H5N1 bird flu has about a 60% mortality rate in humans, but people get so sick so fast that they get isolated and it does not spread.
3. This virus threads the needle between virulence and transmissibility that is pretty bad in terms or racking up a raw body count. It kills a lot of people, but not too much and not fast enough to slow it down.
4. Zoonotic transmission kind of hits the random button on virulence in the new species. This may be a mild cold for bats or whatever, but pretty severe in humans.
5. Our commercial farming practices are a major seeding site for zoonotic infections and we will continue to be plagued (literally) by this stuff. The characteristics of this virus are particularly unfortunate.

Zoonosis - Wikipedia
 
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BaldBiker said:
Just went through a big portion of the 1998 season. We truly had one of the best rushing defenses/pass rushing defenses in the country. If not the best. Our secondary however (as star studded as they turned out to be) was not that great in 98. They got better as the year went on.

Tee Martin definitely got better as the year went on, but he was awful in those early games. Defense and the RB's definitely carried us through those.

We were either a team of destiny, or a team of luck. I'd say a big dosage of both. JMO of course.
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We were lucky, in the Arkansas game, when their QB laid an egg and put the ball on the ground but it was not luck when we took it downfield and scored the TD. Some say luck is a big part of the game and I really believe that to be true. I believe it's what you do with your luck that separates winners from losers.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Asthma may not have left him “immune compromised” but it’s a pre existing condition that left his lungs extremely weak. What does covid damage? The lungs. So he was set up to die
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I sincerely hope none of your family catch it. You need to get woke, because you're blowing this off and it's people like you who are going to make it worse for everybody.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
A. I’m now pretty convinced that this virus has the potential to kill millions, if left unchecked.

B. I’m also convinced that if we all stay hunkered in our houses for too much longer, we’ll end up causing a global economic depression, which has the potential to kill millions (albeit over a longer time period), AND potentially ruin hundreds of millions of lives.

As callous as it sounds, at some point the possibility of B has to enter to our calculus of how we handle A. Especially since the occurrence of B doesn’t even guarantee resolution of A.
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At some point the consequences of social isolation will outweigh the consequences of the virus. It’s just a factor of time.

Depression, suicide, economic recession, and other unforeseen negative consequences are all in play. Yes, it will get worse. Yes, use caution. Yes, flatten the curve. Yes, take measures to protect the vulnerable population. But why is there not this same level of action for other issues? Let’s compare death totals for this year so far.

COVID19: 12,955 (total, not just 2020)
Suicide: 236,585
HIV/AIDS: 370,882
Cancer: 1,811,962
Abortions: 9,376,882

So let’s say that the fatalities continue to pile up for this virus. They will, but they won’t catch up to any of the above. For those saying not to compare it to the flu, remember that there was also not a vaccine for the swine flu when it popped onto the scene. In the time it was a pandemic it killed somewhere between 151,700 and 575,400 people according to the CDC. I would say this ends up in this same range for the first year. No, they’re not the same thing, but they were both pandemics yet the responses have been entirely different.

Put me in the crowd of starting to loosen restrictions here in about 2 weeks. Otherwise, I fear the other consequences will be worse.
 
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SSVol said:
We have no idea what it will be here. The best we can do is look at other places further along and see how it’s going. SK‘s rate is increasing... it‘s up to 1.1% now. They tested 200k and apparently stopped the spread, so from here on out it will be additional deaths among the remaining 81% yet unresolved.
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SK confirmed cases are still increasing so it's still spreading. They've added nearly a 1000 in the past week or so.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I agree. I dont know if China purposely released the virus or an animal they were testing it on got away. But I dont think this think mutated to humans on its own
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Come on guys, get real. It happens all the time. Influenza viruses mutate, to some degree,every year. That is why new influenza vaccines are made every year using the viruses which circulated the previous influenza season.
 
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