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LouderVol said:
No no no no no. Temporary bandaid that makes things worse later. All this does is create future crisis.

This is exemplary of the dependency the government is foisting on it's people.
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At this point, the alternative is letting small businesses die in the next month, then you have millions of job losses with a workforce that often knows nothing else with nowhere else to go.

We bail out dated industries all the time, this is bailing out one that has been around before all of them.

I'm not a fan of bailouts, but considering the circumstance, this one works for the 1 month time frame. Mom and pop restaurants are often on knife's edge.
 
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sjt18 said:
Of course you do. As soon as the first case was announced in the US, it was politicized. I'm not a Trump fan and didn't even vote for him last time (voted 3rd party). But Dems and their media allies immediately began to overstate the threat and accuse Trump of not doing a good job. Then they lost control of the narrative. It now has a life of its own and no one wants to be blamed for spreading it.


It is a simple FACT that H1N1 by this point in the 2009 pandemic and infected 10's of thousands of Americans and had killed thousands. Obama did not take decisive action until months later. In sum, about 13,000 Americans died of H1N1 in 2009. No panic. No cancelled classes. No travel restrictions. None of the stuff we're seeing now.

As of today, 108 people in the US have died from around 6500 cases. Since a significant number are asymptomatic and testing has not been available, it is highly likely that a significant number of cases were misdiagnosed or simply self-treated as a cold or flu. Even those numbers are skewed by the early outbreak in Kirkland, WA nursing homes. The flu would have done similar damage and never been considered newsworthy.

We're not talking about millions of $. The real losses are already in the trillions. People's livelihoods are under direct threat.

This response is not proportionate to the threat.
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Is there any subject that you just aren't completely wrong and ignorant about?


Stop getting your news from your aunt on Facebook.😂😂🤣🤣
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You keep using that phrase. I think you have the wrong idea.

Shutting down events, gatherings, and venues is the right call. That's damn near an objective fact. Hoarding, buying enough toilet paper to wipe an elephant's ass for a year, and staying in your home 24/7, is not the way to go. I've been supporting businesses this week but doing it consciously and not being cavalier about it. I've discussed it with my parents, and we all think it's best my siblings and I don't come into their house and they keep their face to face interactions limited. My dad is 70 with minor heart issues and my mom is 66 with early onset COPD. These are rational steps to be taken considering how easily this **** spreads. You can say what you want about how low the mortality rate is but the fact remains, this is a threat to anyone over 65, especially with health issues. On top of that, this has been proven by men and women far more educated on the subject than you to spread far more quickly than the flu or, as you keep comparing, car wrecks.

I'm not hunkered down in my house. I'm packing up and my girlfriend and I are gonna burn some of her vacation time and go camping in the Snowbird Mountains for a few days. Life goes on, just differently for the time being.

No one has to be terrified, but it's foolish to not be cautious. It's bigger than you. I apologize for being more hostile than usual the other day. I was fired up about my employees because whether they agreed with closing or not (almost all of them did), it devastates them either way. I did what I could do make sure they are taken care of but in light of recent announcements it looks like we'll keep some of them from benefitting from Trump's latest stimulus if we pay them so that's how my day is going to spent today. @volfanhill is regarded as much more even keeled than I am and even he'll tell you the hardest part about this is making tough decisions that affect the livelihoods of a slew of people supporting families pay check to paycheck.

CDC predictions may be real but these economic ramifications are coming whether you believe it or not. That's a fact.
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We thought we were going to have to shut down our NoCal operation yesterday but after looking into it further we decided we could remain open so I get the pain of having to tell people they don't have a job to come to.

I am far more worried about the economic ramifications than the actual virus.

We know where each other stands on this and neither of us are going to budge on it, lastly I will just say I am way more worried of dying in a car wreck or from the flu. I am only going to live once, I'm not going to live in fear
 
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If we hit a worse infection rate than any reported so far, say 750 per million, that is a 0.00075 infection rate.

Now we have .00075 x 300,000,000 (people) = 225,000 infected.

Now of that 225,000 we are saying 20% of cases are very bad.

So 225,000 x .2 = 45,000.

If EVERY bad case results in death (which is absurd) then we have 45,000 deaths.

We are throwing away our world for this.

Someone feel free to destroy my math if you see a mistake. I was rambling this out while working.
 
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C-south said:
My girlfriend and I were eating at a Waffle House a couple years ago. The guy cooking was getting ready to put cheese on her hash browns and was having trouble getting the slice of cheese off top of the stack. He licked his fingers like he was trying to separate a couple sheets of paper to get the top piece off and put it on her hash browns. We walked out. I was rolling.
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That’s awesome
 
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C-south said:
My girlfriend and I were eating at a Waffle House a couple years ago. The guy cooking was getting ready to put cheese on her hash browns and was having trouble getting the slice of cheese off top of the stack. He licked his fingers like he was trying to separate a couple sheets of paper to get the top piece off and put it on her hash browns. We walked out. I was rolling.
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That helps build a good immune system though😄
 
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volfanjustin said:
Good for them, over 100 people a day die in car wrecks, have you also stopped driving? I went to a local bar and our group celebrated St Pattys day like we do every year, I'm now at work like I do every day. I will continue to live my life as normal despite you hysterical loons
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You realize how terribly dumb of an analogy this is? Car wreck victims don’t transmit car wrecks to other ppl.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
At this point, the alternative is letting small businesses die in the next month, then you have millions of job losses with a workforce that often knows nothing else with nowhere else to go.

We bail out dated industries all the time, this is bailing out one that has been around before all of them.

I'm not a fan of bailouts, but considering the circumstance, this one works for the 1 month time frame. Mom and pop restaurants are often on knife's edge.
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And the next month and the next, and the one after? We both know this isnt a one time thing.

And it just balloons our debt. we are still adding more than a trillion to our debt. That rooster will come home to roost real soon. Even being off yesterday by a factor of 10, this is adding billions to the debt INTEREST payments we have to make. It is already the third biggest item on our budget after welfare and military. At this rate in 10 years it will be our second biggest line item.

Debt will kill this nation. It's the long term disease no one wants to address because it's difficult. Instead DC makes it worse by flashing imiganry cash at any disaster for sell they can find.

They need to man the eff up because a collapsed economy on top of a collapsed government is going to make this quarantine business look like child play.

No where to work but they were dependent on the government. No where to get welfare because we are upside down on our debt payments. Its criminal what we are doing.
 
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rjd970 said:
Exactly. What we are doing now isn’t sustainable. I guess I’m good with a two week break from everything to prepare and get a hold of this, but eventually we are going to have to go outside and let it play out.
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That's what I'm wondering. How long are they going to want to shut everything down? I wouldn't expect only 2 weeks to make a substantial change. Especially since testing is ramping up significantly now so for the next 2 weeks we'll continue to see the numbers gorw, but that should be expected.
 
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sjt18 said:
Insurance company costs are blown up by government regulations and cost transfers. If a medicaid procedure pays X and that happens to be at or under cost then the doctor has to charge his private payers and insurers double margin to survive. Of course then private insurers have to raise premiums to cover costs... and get blamed.

The way out isn't even that hard. One, eliminate the laws that prop up the employer based system. Most of us would do better if we bought our health insurance like we bought our home insurance. Provide vouchers for the elderly and qualified "poor". Eliminate medicare and medicaid altogether in favor of a market approach. Two, eliminate the mountains of red tape and allow innovation in health care delivery. Libertarian Gary Johnson a few years ago said deregulation would lead to things like "Appendixes 'R Us"... place that specialize in high quality, narrowly focused care.

We need much LESS government and far more power of the consumer.
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This is the most correct thing I've ever read on a board like this.

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LouderVol said:
And the next month and the next, and the one after? We both know this isnt a one time thing.

And it just balloons our debt. we are still adding more than a trillion to our debt. That rooster will come home to roost real soon. Even being off yesterday by a factor of 10, this is adding billions to the debt INTEREST payments we have to make. It is already the third biggest item on our budget after welfare and military. At this rate in 10 years it will be our second biggest line item.

Debt will kill this nation. It's the long term disease no one wants to address because it's difficult. Instead DC makes it worse by flashing imiganry cash at any disaster for sell they can find.

They need to man the eff up because a collapsed economy on top of a collapsed government is going to make this quarantine business look like child play.

No where to work but they were dependent on the government. No where to get welfare because we are upside down on our debt payments. Its criminal what we are doing.
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Even if health officials and government officials 'man up,' do you really think people are going to go back out and spend money?

**** has already hit the fan.
 
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hog88 said:
Are students getting a pro-rated refund for housing and meal plans?
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My daughter has been home since last Monday, all classes are online through the end of the semester. This is what I received today from UNC:

Reimbursements
The UNC System has indicated that decisions about refunds for housing and dining fees, which are in their discretion, will be postponed until at least April or until we are beyond the imminent issues facing us with mitigating the spread of the virus. We will not have any additional information to share with you until that time. This also applies to campus-based fees, including parking, and student activities facilities and programs.
 
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