2020 Primaries

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Weezer said:
Every thing you need to know is found in the Preamble.

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We are a union of states. The Constitution was written to form a more perfect union. Every individual has a voice within their state. Every state has a voice within the country. We are 50 individual states that form a country. The EC was designed to insure that each state had a voice, to insure domestic tranquility. Why would any state enter that union only to be ruled by the larger states? The FFs had to find the most fair way to insure each state had a voice within that union. Their solution was the EC, and it's worked pretty damn good. Only 5 times has the winner of the popular vote not won the EC. Five times in over two centuries. The system works just fine.
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Oh, now you've done it. Luther says the Preamble is the Constitution ... all the other stuff that follows is fluff ... merely a suggestion.
 
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hog88 said:
The old “It’s too hard to change so I’ll just bitch” excuse. If it’s that important to you do something about it.

Oh and we screwed up giving women the right to vote. Let’s not make two gargantuan mistakes.
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Too late. We dropped the voting age and included more kids, too.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The field was consolidated against him but that isn't being screwed. That's just good politics.
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But aren't you the guys who want every vote to count and count equally. Now you're saying directed results are good? Bizarre philosophical beliefs in your political clan.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Bernie can piss off. He is on the ballot in every state. Nobody screwed him out of anything. He lost, resoundingly. Time for the Bern to retire on a farm in Vermont and go away.
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You'd think Bernie jumped on your girl's crank. So hostile.
 
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AM64 said:
But aren't you the guys who want every vote to count and count equally. Now you're saying directed results are good? Bizarre philosophical beliefs in your political clan.
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Every vote does count and delegates are distributed proportionately to the percentage of the vote. The Democratic Party doesn't have winner-take-all contests like the Republicans. Bernie Sanders got his clocked cleaned by over 260,000 votes in Michigan yesterday, but he still received 52 of the 125 delegates.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Doesn't sound like he's dropping out. Said he looks forward to the upcoming debate with Biden.

But it's weird. He's listing off all the things he wants to ask Biden like he's setting Biden up with softballs to attract Bernie voters.

And that's it. Few minutes and it's over.
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Maybe Bernie's planning on burning the house down and running as an independent. What better way to start than beating up on ole Joe in debates without Trump.
 
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McDad said:
And if those votes by majority contradict an individual(s) Constitutional right(s)?
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First, direct popular votes on single issues are rare.

Second, If there’s a question about individual liberties vs public interest then it’s traditionally up to the judiciary to interpret the constitutionality.
 
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Weezer said:
Every state gets a voice, regardless of population. What really pisses you off is that not every state agrees with you politically. The politics of this country should not be decided by a couple of states with massive population.
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The problem here is that once federalism generally neutered the states, OHvol and all like him cannot even comprehend the original concept of a union of states. You'll never get them to understand the "The United States of America" does not equal "The American Republic" ... totally beyond their comprehension.
 
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Weezer said:
lmao We've been over this. I believe in the Constitution. My views on political parties are the same as GWs. They're corrupt and only serve the purpose of dividing the country while seeking to amass power. Take away the voices of the smaller states and you create reason for another civil war in this country. Sure, that sounds laughable in today's world, but if states are not having their needs met because the larger states have undue power, what are their options? Your way of thinking is naïve. The EC was designed for a reason. It may not be perfect, but it's the closest thing to perfection we have. It helped bring the states together, and it helps keep the states united.

I'm done arguing for now. I'm under the weather today, so I'm going to take a nap. But you should consider this country is more fragile than you think. We're great at uniting against a common enemy, but when one doesn't present themselves, we're also great at tearing each other apart. Switching to a popular vote would only further incite that.
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This time it would be true civil war rather than a war between states. Last time the differences were regional and simply fixed by secession. This time it's more urban/rural rather than regional, and civil wars like that are bloody and extremely messy because there's no simple way to separate opponents.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Every vote does count and delegates are distributed proportionately to the percentage of the vote. The Democratic Party doesn't have winner-take-all contests like the Republicans. Bernie Sanders got his clocked cleaned by over 260,000 votes in Michigan yesterday, but he still received 52 of the 125 delegates.
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Even the Bernie Bro's should have a say, nutty as they may be.
 
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GAVol said:
One of the overriding themes of the Constitution is protecting rights from the whims of the majority.
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Hence the Senate. Protecting elections from the “whims of the majority” literally violates the idea of a free and fair election.
 
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AM64 said:
Maybe Bernie's planning on burning the house down and running as an independent. What better way to start than beating up on ole Joe in debates without Trump.
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Last time Bernie didn't care about Hillary's "damn e-mails," and this time he doesn't care about Biden's dementia.
 
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OHvol40 said:
First, direct popular votes on single issues are rare.

Second, If there’s a question about individual liberties vs public interest then it’s traditionally up to the judiciary to interpret the constitutionality.
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I agree. It is difficult to answer.

The direct popular votes I mentioned have all occurred in the last 25 years. Rarity is a matter of perspective.

Do you know why the judiciary is "traditionally" the interpreter?
 
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AM64 said:
Oh, now you've done it. Luther says the Preamble is the Constitution ... all the other stuff that follows is fluff ... merely a suggestion.
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lol......Your characterization of my views is as inaccurate as most of your characterizations.

The Preamble is not the Constitution. It is a statement of the very beliefs, values, and principles that necessitated the writing of the Constitution. It is the heart and soul of the Constitution.
The Constitution is meaningless without the context of the Preamble.
 
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McDad said:
I agree. It is difficult to answer.

The direct popular votes I mentioned have all occurred in the last 25 years. Rarity is a matter of perspective.

Do you know why the judiciary is "traditionally" the interpreter?
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Because that’s their directive? Lol

We all know the other branches try to impose their interpretive will, but it’s literally what the judiciary is designed to do. The whole checks and balances thing.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Because that’s their directive? Lol

We all know the other branches try to impose their interpretive will, but it’s literally what the judiciary is designed to do. The whole checks and balances thing.
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By what authority does the Judicial branch derive their power to interpret?
 
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