2020 Primaries

[McDad]

Why do you people find a way to sneak Hillary into every possible discussion? This is a voting philosophy discussion. It makes it extremely difficult to take you seriously.

 

[Sea Ray]

'Urban' is code for where the American people live.

It's where a whole lot of America lives. What's your point?

 

[VolStrom]

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I brought this up yesterday and mentioned "you people" meant LG and EL. I was later scolder by Luther that I left him out, so there you go.

 

[OHvol40]

Well I start with facts and you can't seem to grasp that one. I understand in your opinion it's not logical but I agree with their reasons. Here's a short little lesson on why they did it:



If not for the electoral college candidates could run only on urban issues and forget the rural folks.

Breaking America down into “urban” and “rural” issues is a binary view that doesn’t represent America as a whole. There’s crossover in interests, beliefs, and points of view everywhere. It would be like me saying candidates running on issues for the educated vs uneducated. There are trends, sure, but there is also a lot of crossover.

 

[JCP201]

Easy to be that amazing when you are surrounded by SS agents with guns.

Did he get Security now? He didn't seem to have it when that loon lady jumped on stage and his wife had to shove her away. There was also the incident with Bernie when all those naked people ran on stage.

 

[OHvol40]

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Lol, heard this voice in my head as soon as I went back and read it.

 

[Girth Brooks]

In the recent TX primary, Republican voters declined by 32% from 2016. However, Trump managed to amass more votes than Bernie, Biden and Bloomberg, combined.

This fantastical idea that Texas is turning blue is an exercise in delusion.

 

[zeppelin128]

Why those appointments?

He's qualified for everything, but we think he is most qualified for those appointments. Secretary of State would be great as well.

 

[Weezer]

I have always thought the EC was inappropriate.
Would I rather occasionally benefit from an inappropriate system than continuously get screwed by an inappropriate system?
Certainly.
Is that what you call subjective morals? I would think everyone feels the same.

You can't shine a dog turd, luther. You believe it's wrong, unless it benefits you. Then it's okay.

 

[AM64]

They don't count equally, it's a winner take all system. As an example, the GOP voters in the State of California number more than all but two states and due to the way the EC works, they get exactly ZERO delegates to represent their vote. That and the EC votes are not even beholden to the actual votes cast by the electorate. The EC looks good on paper, but its practicality as a measure of the will of the people is garbage.

Give it up. We're deplorables and we just don't give a damn if CA or NY get their due, but you know something. We do know which bathroom to use, which end of a gun points away, and some other useful trivia.

 

[Weezer]

Why do you people find a way to sneak Hillary into every possible discussion? This is a voting philosophy discussion. It makes it extremely difficult to take you seriously.

Why? Because your voting philosophy is influenced by her loss. You're the one who originally brought up the numbers in the last election. Who was in the last election?

 

[Septic]

Give it up. We're deplorables and we just don't give a damn if CA or NY get their due, but you know something. We do know which bathroom to use, which end of a gun points away, and some other useful trivia.

Since you missed the point, I hope that your little rant made you feel better.

 

[Weezer]

You asked if small states were less important.
Are you now asking if small states are less important in their voting voice?
Of course they are.
They are under the EC. All states do not get the same number of EC votes, that would give them equal importance.
Not even the FF would go that far. They knew that population had to be a key component.

Component. Not the end all be all. And it is a component.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

My son rebelled against me by eschewing heavy metal and hard rock in favor of bluegrass.

WTH?

That's a good boy you got there. Just a few thoughts for you to consider.... There is no such thing as a sad song on a banjo. Steve Martin is a better musician than a comedian, and THAT's saying something. And if you can't have fun with bluegrass, you have no sense of humor.

To wit:

 

[GVF]

You asked if small states were less important.
Are you now asking if small states are less important in their voting voice?
Of course they are.
They are under the EC. All states do not get the same number of EC votes, that would give them equal importance.
Not even the FF would go that far. They knew that population had to be a key component.

We were talking about voting and the EC, so I didn't think with you I'd have to spell out every detail. But, alas....The EC does gives equal importance. It distributes delegates relative to density, giving equality relative to density, thus equalizing votes.

 

[OHvol40]

Why? Because your voting philosophy is influenced by her loss. You're the one who originally brought up the numbers in the last election. Who was in the last election?

Well, the two modern examples of presidents losing the popular vote have benefited one political party, that’s a fact. It’s like trying to win a road game in Tuscaloosa. If you’re a Bama fan you don’t see the problem, but the rest of the country does.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

OC Son: Dad, I need to talk to you. It's important.
OC: Sure, son. What's up?
OC Son: Well, I don't feel like the other boys.
OC Son: I feel different inside. I don't think I like the same things they do.
OC: Uh....Ok. It's okay son, you can tell me anything. [thinking silently. please don't be gay]
OC Son: I've been feeling this way for a long time. Probably ever since I was a little kid.
OC: ..... [please don't be gay]
OC Son: Dad, I hope you and Mom aren't disappointed and will still love me.
OC: We will always love you. Why don't you just say what you need to say. [please don't be gay]
OC Son: Dad, I like ...Bluegrass music.
OC: NOOOOOOO! WE DIDN'T RAISE YOU TO BE THIS WAY. Can you please just be gay instead???

 

[GVF]

'Urban' is code for where the American people live.

Did you learn that at Bloomberg College of Farming.

 

[AM64]

Did he get Security now? He didn't seem to have it when that loon lady jumped on stage and his wife had to shove her away. There was also the incident with Bernie when all those naked people ran on stage.

You are right about that. I assumed as an ex-VP and candidate he automatically did, but apparently it doesn't work that way. This article says none of the dem candidates asked for protection. I guess you really can learn new things every day ... real things.

Secret Service changing Biden protection plans after rally scare

Presidential candidates historically receive Secret Service details during the primary season as their crowd sizes and the possibility of threats swells. A candidate must typically ask for the protection to initiate an approval process that includes sign-off from congressional leaders and the Homeland Security chief, although federal guidelines allow the process to begin absent a candidate's request.

 

[McDad]

Well, the two modern examples of presidents losing the popular vote have benefited one political party, that’s a fact. It’s like trying to win a road game in Tuscaloosa.

Neither benefited the Country, though.

 

[Septic]

We were talking about voting and the EC, so I didn't think with you I'd have to spell out every detail. But, alas....The EC does gives equal importance. It distributes delegates relative to density, giving equality relative to density, thus equalizing votes.

Its winner take all, the voting bloc that losses by a percentage point gets no representation. The population density simply determines the number of delegates, it has no bearing on equality of the distribution based on the electorates choices, the very opposite occurs.

 

[luthervol]

You can't shine a dog turd, luther. You believe it's wrong, unless it benefits you. Then it's okay.

I think it's wrong either way. But as long as the wrong is allowed to continue, I would like to see the benefit from the wrong a little more evenly dispersed.

Bad calls in a football game are wrong. When they only benefit one team, the wrong is exponentially compounded.
When the bad calls are more evenly dispersed, they're still bad calls, but the result is at least more equitable.

 

[GVF]

Breaking America down into “urban” and “rural” issues is a binary view that doesn’t represent America as a whole. There’s crossover in interests, beliefs, and pints of view everywhere. It would be like me saying candidates running on issues for the educated vs uneducated. There are trends, sure, but there is also a lot of crossover.

Earlier you attempted to dis Trump, touting your ability speak in complete sentences and thoughts. This is likely the 3rd post in two or three pages where you have failed to transfer such abilities into printed form.

 

[Weezer]

Well, the two modern examples of presidents losing the popular vote have benefited one political party, that’s a fact. It’s like trying to win a road game in Tuscaloosa. If you’re a Bama fan you don’t see the problem, but the rest of the country does.

I'm a fan of the Constitution, not political parties. I subscribe to the George Washington opinion on those.

 

[05_never_again]

Well, the two modern examples of presidents losing the popular vote have benefited one political party, that’s a fact. It’s like trying to win a road game in Tuscaloosa. If you’re a Bama fan you don’t see the problem, but the rest of the country does.

I've never really understood Democratic bellyaching over that because the current electoral math favors them too. When you add up the safe Dem electoral votes and the safe GOP electoral votes, the Dems have way more. Therefore they only have to pick off a few of the swing states in order to win Presidential elections. Republicans have to win almost all of them.

You only see a problem because Democrats have been on the losing end twice. If Republicans won the popular vote in 2000 and 2016, then they'd be the ones calling for the abolition of the Electoral College.