Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[WarMachine]

Cause I was just throwing names in there until I got to 15 for Lebron Let me fix it.

15. Wilt
16. Elgin Baylor
17. Stockton
18. West
19.Oscar
20. Lebron

Better?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Cause this is a list from someone who does not understand basketball. You cannot legitimately have a list if you leave Tim Duncan off of your top 15 (easy top 10 player). This is just a list of someone posting their favorite players of all time.

Dang it! Let me fix it

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Kareem
6. Shaq
7. Barkley
8. Dr. J.
9. Ewing
10. Allen Iverson
11. Russell
12. Karl Malone
13. Hakeem
14. Pistol Pete
15. Lebron
15. Wilt
16. Elgin Baylor
17. Stockton
18. West
19.Oscar
20. Duncan
21. Lebron

There’s just so many great players that Bron keeps moving down

 

[TrippieRedd]

Both his recruiters from his original recruitment aren't on staff. But if he has another solid season at the JuCo level and has the grades straightened out wonder if he still likes us? I'd lean UNC since he was interested in them as well and that's where he's from, plus with Mack doing some things he might like it better now.

Would love to add him to this class with Turrentine (when we get him)

now idk if he will beat out Key or Jaylen but he could play star right away next year

 

[WarMachine]

Cause this is a list from someone who does not understand basketball. You cannot legitimately have a list if you leave Tim Duncan off of your top 15 (easy top 10 player). This is just a list of someone posting their favorite players of all time.

This might be a list of someone who doesn't care at all about the list.

 

[Chuckie]

People are too busy crying, whining, b!tchin over some flopping to see what he has done for other nba players, inner city kids, social justice, etc... (the bigger picture) all because he might be better than some mythical creature named mj.

Differences of opinion are fine, but that's just asinine. You make yourself look silly when you can't contain your butthurt that a player from UNC is better than any two players to ever come out of your beloved Duke.

 

[Devo182]

I'm going to Sanibel Island this weekend for a vacay so if everyone else wants to leave that area or just not show up that's cool.

Nice vacation spot. Rent some bikes and cruise about. Breathe in and soak up all that beautiful s̶u̶n̶ coronavirus in the ether.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Yeah last time I checked you had to make it to the finals to win it. The playoffs do not just include the finals. Surely most people on this message board would claim Peyton as the GOAT QB but he didn’t always make the Super Bowl. You cannot legitimately think that losing the finals is worse than losing in the first round. If Jordan is the playoffs goat he’d be 12-0 in the playoffs but he isn’t. He’s 6-6 cause he got booted 6 different times.
Also, you can not argue that Jordan played better teams than LeBron in the finals. The only reason that this is a debate is because LeBron played terribly in the 2011 finals, which I have no explanation for other than he sucked for an all time great player.

Let me just stop you right there, in my opinion the thing that separates these two great players into one being better than the other is their performances in the NBA Finals.


The Chicago Bulls getting bounced in Jordan's first 3 seasons in the first round as a 7, 8, & 8 seed isn't exactly surprising since they played the 2 and 1 seed.

84-85 season the Bulls were 38-44 as a 7 seed
85-86 season the Bulls were 30-52 as a 8 seed
86-86 season the Bulls were 40-42 as a 8 seed

Lebron's worst team's seeding going into a playoffs was 4, it's not as apples to apples as you make it out to be.

 

[Vols4us]

Iverson deserves to be on the list if nothing else for his "practice".

 

[Devo182]

Random, but I wonder if we go after Anthony Harris again this class?

He appeared in nine games during the 2019 season, recording 30 tackles, three interceptions, two pass breakups and a half-tackle for loss.

Sure hope so.

@griddie ?

 

[Devo182]

Cause this is a list from someone who does not understand basketball. You cannot legitimately have a list if you leave Tim Duncan off of your top 15 (easy top 10 player). This is just a list of someone posting their favorite players of all time.

Those few, rare, seasons we got to see the likes of Duncan and Robinson play together. It was something else...not sure we'll see 2 generational bigs like that playing together again, especially as big centers die off.

 

[butchna]

You win on semantics...he did miss 4 seasons and all the baseball stuff was in just one season (that definitely felt like longer than 1 season)

I don’t count the SECOND retirement as “missing seasons”. Sorry for the miscommunication.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Differences of opinion are fine, but that's just asinine. You make yourself look silly when you can't contain your butthurt that a player from UNC is better than any two players to ever come out of your beloved Duke.

Lol i have nothing against mj going to unc. My biggest gripe against mj isnt even mj himself. Its the people that act like its undebatable that he’s not the goat and that his career was unscathed of any scrutiny, short comings, & wrong doing. And if a player didn’t do it the way he did it, it’s deemed not worthy enough.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

To be honest, Luka should win the NBA MVP and it's not even close.

28.6 PPG
8.8 APG
9.4 RPG

He's averaging 3.1 more points a game than LeBron, and 1.6 more rebounds per game while averaging 2 less minutes a game.

 

[Pepe]

No men have done more with less than Muggsey Bogues and Spudd Webb. They are kids of the NBA (lil goats).

I'll go with Calvin Murphy above them

 

[butchna]

Yeah last time I checked you had to make it to the finals to win it. The playoffs do not just include the finals. Surely most people on this message board would claim Peyton as the GOAT QB but he didn’t always make the Super Bowl. You cannot legitimately think that losing the finals is worse than losing in the first round. If Jordan is the playoffs goat he’d be 12-0 in the playoffs but he isn’t. He’s 6-6 cause he got booted 6 different times.
Also, you can not argue that Jordan played better teams than LeBron in the finals. The only reason that this is a debate is because LeBron played terribly in the 2011 finals, which I have no explanation for other than he sucked for an all time great player.

Jordan at his peak never lost to an inferior team no matter the stage of the playoffs...as Lebron did against the Mavs in the Finals.

 

[butchna]

To be honest, Luka should win the NBA MVP and it's not even close.

28.6 PPG
8.8 APG
9.4 RPG

He's averaging 3.1 more points a game than LeBron, and 1.6 more rebounds per game while averaging 2 less minutes a game.

Amazing player who could play in any era.

 

[Devo182]

Let me just stop you right there, in my opinion the thing that separates these two great players into one being better than the other is their performances in the NBA Finals.


The Chicago Bulls getting bounced in Jordan's first 3 seasons in the first round as a 7, 8, & 8 seed isn't exactly surprising since they played the 2 and 1 seed.

84-85 season the Bulls were 38-44 as a 7 seed
85-86 season the Bulls were 30-52 as a 8 seed
86-86 season the Bulls were 40-42 as a 8 seed

Lebron's worst team's seeding going into a playoffs was 4, it's not as apples to apples as you make it out to be.

3 straight sub .500 seasons feels like a knock on him. Alas, guess who joined the very next season...?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I don’t count the SECOND retirement as “missing seasons”. Sorry for the miscommunication.

That's fair.

I was mostly just saying that had he played those extra 328 games he might have been the first NBA player to surpass 40k career points.

 

[Pepe]

Volnation, I am supposed to fly to Rome, Italy for 10 days in roughly 2 weeks. Should I go?

I think the part that I would because I'm most concerned with is the part where I'm spending a few hours enclosed in the same aluminum tube as a couple of hundred other people

 

[butchna]

3 straight sub .500 seasons feels like a knock on him. Alas, guess who joined the very next season...?

Bottom feeding team before his arrival and this was before unrestricted free agency.

 

[butchna]

That's fair.

I was mostly just saying that had he played those extra 328 games he might have been the first NBA player to surpass 40k career points.

Oh definitely! We’re in agreement. You could also add him staying at UNC til after his junior season for the slave to numbers crowd.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

3 straight sub .500 seasons feels like a knock on him. Guess who joined in 87-88?

Well he only played in 18 of the games in the 85-86 season. He also scored 49, 63, and 19 in the 3 game series with #1 seed Boston. He got hurt before Halloween and didn't return until mid March that year.

The team also had a different Head Coach each of those seasons. But after the 86-87 season the Bulls & MJ never had a losing record again.

 

[Devo182]

To be honest, Luka should win the NBA MVP and it's not even close.

28.6 PPG
8.8 APG
9.4 RPG

He's averaging 3.1 more points a game than LeBron, and 1.6 more rebounds per game while averaging 2 less minutes a game.

Monster. He and Giannis should be tops right now. One will probably emerge during the 2nd half and take MVP. Can't imagine grandpa Lebron overtaking them. He'll probably have to sit some, strategically, toward the playoffs.

 

[HankHill]

So you’re denying the conversation? You never credited Dooley for the Vols 2012 offensive performance because Chaney was “following the wishes of his HC”? And editing your comments don’t bump them...knowledge is power.

Of course i give dooley some of the credit for that year like you should any head coach. I remember the conversation in which i said ice never seen a coach who doesn’t have any input on both sides of the ball. That just doesn’t happen. Do you give ansley all the credit for the improvement this year or Pruitt some too?

 

[Devo182]

Well he only played in 18 of the games in the 85-86 season. He also scored 49, 63, and 19 in the 3 game series with #1 seed Boston. He got hurt before Halloween and didn't return until mid March that year.

The team also had a different Head Coach each of those seasons. But after the 86-87 season the Bulls & MJ never had a losing record again.

Pippen was such a monster add after 87. I almost hate he never was a standalone guy in his prime. He deserved more notice and was always in a larger shadow. Though I think he loved that group and winning with them. Total dominance.