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hog88 said:
Can you even get an RN without a bachelors now?
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You can but most programs are bsn programs. Ever since the Carnegie foundation funded the study that says the most excellent care is given by bsn degree nurses that's what the national nursing model has become. They push higher education levels to promote better care. They don't hand out compassion and critical thinking with a bsn. You either have those qualities or you don't.
They have been pushing bsn at the bedside for 30 years and are finally attaining it via a signed contract. They are slowly pushing associate degree nurses to go back and incur debt for school or leave the profession.
 
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Septic said:
That's great, when I was at UAB, there was a ASN to BSN program that took about half the time generally because the clinical aspect, preceptorships etc weren't necessary. Mostly book learnin'. Good luck!
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Thanks, new laptop in my future for all the papers I'm gonna write.
 
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VolStrom said:
What would the bachelor degree have taught her? People keep throwing this stuff out like if you have a BS or BA in anything you're somehow smarter than someone without. I got humbled right out of the gate 40 years ago by a guy that was in the Marines and went through one of their electronics classes. He was smart as hell, but he grew up poor and the Marines made one hell of a man out of him. In the private sector nobody doubted what he told them.
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The two year programs don't incorporate all the sciences as part of the pre-reqs to apply to the Schools of Nursing e.g. A&P, chemistry's etc. It offers a broader understanding of the why things are done and not just the how.

It's not a knock, some of the finest RN's i've ever met had ASN's but more education is generally better than less education.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
You can but most programs are bsn programs. Ever since the Carnegie foundation funded the study that says the most excellent care is given by bsn degree nurses that's what the national nursing model has become. They push higher education levels to promote better care. They don't hand out compassion and critical thinking with a bsn. You either have those qualities or you don't.
They have been pushing bsn at the bedside for 30 years and are finally attaining it via a signed contract. They are slowly pushing associate degree nurses to go back and incur debt for school or leave the profession.
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Isn't there a shortage of RNs?
 
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Septic said:
The two year programs don't incorporate all the sciences as part of the pre-reqs to apply to the Schools of Nursing e.g. A&P, chemistry's etc. It offers a broader understanding of the why things are done and not just the how.

It's not a knock, some of the finest RN's i've ever met had ASN's but more education is generally better than less education.
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I'm a proponent of you learn more on the job in 2 years than you ever could in college from some douche that never worked in industry before.
 
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Septic said:
The two year programs don't incorporate all the sciences as part of the pre-reqs to apply to the Schools of Nursing e.g. A&P, chemistry's etc. It offers a broader understanding of the why things are done and not just the how.

It's not a knock, some of the finest RN's i've ever met had ASN's but more education is generally better than less education.
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I was one of those fortunate few who took A&P and then the dean of nursing decided they should be split and I had to take both... Again. The dean was my sister.
We had pre req chemistry, microbiology, nutrition and liberal arts of course. It was a stellar program for an associate's. That's why I walked into a critical care unit with no experience and 6 months of orientation. I broke off orientation at 4 months. Then again I was 38 years old and picked it up quickly.
 
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hog88 said:
Isn't there a shortage of RNs?
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Depends on who's numbers you look at. The same hospital I just left because I'm an associate's is sending me emails for hire into Cardiovascular recovery... The unit I left in 2018. When I left we had 6 traveling nurses in a high acuity environment, that's a bad sign.
Nationally yes we have a shortage....IMO. The boomers are about to all retire.
 
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Septic said:
Yeah, but those programs are getting fewer and fewer. RN is just the licensure, until the state changes the requirements to sit for the board anyone who qualifies for the license and passes is an RN. It used to be that most RN's were 2 year degrees, now he hospitals want 4 year. The difference in pay was negligible but if there was a difference the BSN's made more.
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Now, it's a dollar an hour once you get the bsn.
 
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1972 Grad said:
My deepest interactions with nurses came from a couple of early 20's babes after I got divorced at age 33.
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Was on a cruise a few years back and there was a gaggle of recently graduated nurses on board. Good times, son and his buddy had a great time.
 
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allvol123 said:
Insane. It's as if this thing is a contagious virus.
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Fake news. Reports of people testing positive are ginned up by Dems and the media to make Trump look bad.

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CNBC had a staff physician from NY Presbyterian hospital. He said he expects thousands of cases here in the US by next week. Really??
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Depends on who's numbers you look at. The same hospital I just left because I'm an associate's is sending me emails for hire into Cardiovascular recovery... The unit I left in 2018. When I left we had 6 traveling nurses in a high acuity environment, that's a bad sign.
Nationally yes we have a shortage....IMO. The boomers are about to all retire.
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The top level one trauma and Magnet status hospitals (like UTMC), require that extra education and won't even hire anything else. They encourage all their nurses to become Nurse Practitioners, educators, or to move into Administration, thus the cycle continues
 
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0nelilreb said:
They ( hospitals ) are turning the nurses into educated robots . I have nothing against higher education, but my problem is when the compassion nurses have for people turn into taking care of “ clients” and they start worrying and the numbers and percentages. bachelors isn’t enough anymore they are pushing masters . That leads to less floor nurses and more administrative nurses .
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You've nailed it...and of course once you get the BSN it's a small step to NP or PA so let's lose a few more RN's to that further. Worked my way through college in a hospital, you could tell the nursing school nurses...they just did their jobs, and did it well.
 
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golfballs said:
3 more cases in Mexico
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That timing really works well with the idiot 9th circuit court's new decision reversing the old one about keeping illegals on the other side of the border. It's pretty amazing how fast those people got the word and tried to jump the border ... again. Almost like somebody on this side is representing them in court and organizing their travel plans.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The top level one trauma and Magnet status hospitals (like UTMC), require that extra education and won't even hire anything else. They encourage all their nurses to become Nurse Practitioners, educators, or to move into Administration, thus the cycle continues
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Are you a cop in Knox County or Knox City or neither?
 
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golfballs said:
CNBC had a staff physician from NY Presbyterian hospital. He said he expects thousands of cases here in the US by next week. Really??
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sht, i'm leaving for the BVI on the 20th. I need this can to be kicked down the road a lil' bit.
 
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golfballs said:
CNBC had a staff physician from NY Presbyterian hospital. He said he expects thousands of cases here in the US by next week. Really??
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Two things: first, we just hit a hundred apparently. Second, the reality is that there are probably far more than that, including people who did not realize they had it, in turn spreading it to many others.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Two things: first, we just hit a hundred apparently. Second, the reality is that there are probably far more than that, including people who did not realize they had it, in turn spreading it to many others.
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Little birdie told me that Jax has "single digit cases that they are monitoring". Great...
 
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