Under Consideration: ncaa announces one-time immediate eligibility transfer exception

[Behr]

19-20-21-22 years old, kids? I wonder how old the MEN that won WWII were on average?

Yes, the 18-22 year old college athletes that
Play Football are still mentally kids. Disagree if you want, but comparing the brave Men that fought in a World War in the 40's, that went in as kids and died or came back as heros, to college football players playing a game.... in 2020, is IMO a level.of stupid I don't even understand.

 

[Roustabout]

It will lead to more problems. It could have been avoided if schools hadn't insisted on being greedy and wanton exploitation of their athletes. Players shouldn't have to call their coaches for tacos due to having nothing to eat. Nor should players have to ask coaches for secret "loans" to pay their rent or transportation to and from campus. I guess you can say the chickens have come home to roost. I had two scholarships at one time during my graduate studies. Two? Yeah, one for exceptional grades and one for my field of study. Despite being more frugal than a Scot, and taking part-time, holiday break, and summer jobs on campus, I still had to skip meals from time to time, and walk instead of taking a bus just to buy food. Colleges got richer from exploiting the likeness of their players, didn't share it, and those who made it big in the pros were hopefully expected to donate big time to their college despite this. So the way I see it, this new mess proposal will generate more mess. Which again could have been avoided long ago if greed had been set aside. Now, those who want to go on the warpath due to my post, go ahead. The way I see it, our current situation is a case of you reap what you sow. With the harvest now here and stored, I'll just eat some buttermilk biscuits dipped in melted honey butter and sip alfalfa tea beside the fireplace while watching replays of UT football games. Vols forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your input Arian!

 

[hog88]

Coaches can transfer from one school to the next. Why leave the kids out?

Terrible argument, coaches are employees

 

[hog88]

WTF do coaches commit to when they sign multi-million dollar contracts?

Coaches don't have to sit a year between jobs, so why make that distinction for players?

Ok, lets make kids pay a buyout when they transfer like coaches do.

 

[hog88]

If enacted this will be a terrific advantage for the top programs and hurt the lower ones.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Thanks for your input Arian!

Arian says you're welcome to the blessing of his wisdom. And BTW, tell Arius hello.

 

[901 Orange]

Do you think Clemson would release Lawrence to go to Alabama? I don't. I can't see a school releasing any of its top players. They will all have to go through the process the same as now.

A mass exodus from one team isn't going to happen because that school won't release the players.

If u were eligible for a transfer without penalty he wouldn't need them to release him he could just transfer which is my point

 

[901 Orange]

Do you think Clemson would release Lawrence to go to Alabama? I don't. I can't see a school releasing any of its top players. They will all have to go through the process the same as now.

A mass exodus from one team isn't going to happen because that school won't release the players.

If its a one-time immediately eligible transfer u could literally leave at any point without consequence and the current school couldnt do squat about it

 

[Devo182]

Not in the proposal database yet. Maybe just talks so far.

 

[Devo182]

Do you think Clemson would release Lawrence to go to Alabama? I don't. I can't see a school releasing any of its top players. They will all have to go through the process the same as now.

A mass exodus from one team isn't going to happen because that school won't release the players.

You are way behind. The transfer model changed a couple years ago away from a "request to transfer" model to a "notification of transfer" model. Thus, the "portal". Coaches can no longer control if a kid wants to leave.

 

[Devo182]

I would allow transfers between FCS and FBS without restrictions.

Maybe even Group of 5 to Power 5.

But P5 to P5, then there needs to be some justification for immediate eligibility.

Just my two drachmas!

Why the difference?

The entire reason there is a "1 year in residency" requirement is because NCAA research has proven SAs struggle in class during their transfer year, thus leading to higher dropout rates and lower graduation rates.

 

[Devo182]

What is going to stop coaches from continuing to recruit kids that signed with another school and entice them to transfer after a year? I think this could potentially make the whole college recruitment process a much dirtier nastier process, however if they put logical, stringent rules in place for student athletes to transfer, then they would have to put in severe penalties for coaches, staff, boosters or handlers that are caught recruiting kids from one school to another under the premise of transferring. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Explicitly, NCAA rules restrict recruiting once an nli is signed. Another school also cannot cannot contact a current player unless they are in the portal.

 

[82_VOL_83]

It will lead to more problems. It could have been avoided if schools hadn't insisted on being greedy and wanton exploitation of their athletes. Players shouldn't have to call their coaches for tacos due to having nothing to eat. Nor should players have to ask coaches for secret "loans" to pay their rent or transportation to and from campus. I guess you can say the chickens have come home to roost. I had two scholarships at one time during my graduate studies. Two? Yeah, one for exceptional grades and one for my field of study. Despite being more frugal than a Scot, and taking part-time, holiday break, and summer jobs on campus, I still had to skip meals from time to time, and walk instead of taking a bus just to buy food. Colleges got richer from exploiting the likeness of their players, didn't share it, and those who made it big in the pros were hopefully expected to donate big time to their college despite this. So the way I see it, this new mess proposal will generate more mess. Which again could have been avoided long ago if greed had been set aside. Now, those who want to go on the warpath due to my post, go ahead. The way I see it, our current situation is a case of you reap what you sow. With the harvest now here and stored, I'll just eat some buttermilk biscuits dipped in melted honey butter and sip alfalfa tea beside the fireplace while watching replays of UT football games. Vols forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Argument grounded in fallacy. They do not have to live off campus. It is a choice. Living and eating on campus for an athlete is, or at least was when I was there, nirvana. Live on campus and eat at Gibbs....no rent and very little extra food cost.

 

[Devo182]

They might start allowing you to sign more than 25 to make up for the losses in the portal.

Some have suggested this, though it could actually exacerbate the issue, via processing players. It's a tough grey area imo.

 

[Devo182]

Terrible argument, coaches are employees

So the coach leaving is even worse? Agreed. Though I'd say, ultimately, both sign agreements to execute specific performance.

Not that any of this really has to do with why athletes have to sit a year.

 

[82_VOL_83]

So the coach leaving is even worse? Agreed. Though I'd say, ultimately, both sign agreements to execute specific performance.

Not that any of this really has to do with why athletes have to sit a year.

Both with specific penalties to break the agreement. What is your point?

 

[Devo182]

Both with specific penalties to break the agreement. What is your point?

He was saying coaches are different. Seems you agree they are not different and should move freely, accepting some penalty or not. Depending on the agreement. NLIs incur such a possible penalty. Signing scholarship papers do not.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Argument grounded in fallacy. They do not have to live off campus. It is a choice. Living and eating on campus for an athlete is, or at least was when I was there, nirvana. Live on campus and eat at Gibbs....no rent and very little extra food cost.

Even with that argument, exploiting player likeness while denying the players to benefit from their own likeness is just plain greed. And the penalties for players who dared to defy this was strong-arming which included being expelled and in some cases blacklisted. Now, about the food business, not all colleges are the same. The time I speak of I wasn't an athlete, but I was at the undergrad level. At my school, the cafeterias were closed during summer, except for a backroom area exclusive for faculty and staff exclusive of grounds workers. AND, I wasn't speaking specifically of UT but the player exploitation scheme in general. How's that for fallacy? In general, I can agree with you about the food thing, but it leaves the rest of the issues in earlier post unanswered. Which is what administrators did, they nitpicked among things to seem righteous when they were anything but...

 

[hog88]

So the coach leaving is even worse? Agreed. Though I'd say, ultimately, both sign agreements to execute specific performance.

Not that any of this really has to do with why athletes have to sit a year.

Normally a coach has to pay when they leave, I’m good with requiring the same from players.

 

[Raebo]

Even with that argument, exploiting player likeness while denying the players to benefit from their own likeness is just plain greed. And the penalties for players who dared to defy this was strong-arming which included being expelled and in some cases blacklisted. Now, about the food business, not all colleges are the same. The time I speak of I wasn't an athlete, but I was at the undergrad level. At my school, the cafeterias were closed during summer, except for a backroom area exclusive for faculty and staff exclusive of grounds workers. AND, I wasn't speaking specifically of UT but the player exploitation scheme in general. How's that for fallacy? In general, I can agree with you about the food thing, but it leaves the rest of the issues in earlier post unanswered. Which is what administrators did, they nitpicked among things to seem righteous when they were anything but...

From what I understand, many athletes qualify for the Pell Grant which is about $500 dollars a month. Schools also give them up up to $500 a month in something called, “cost of attendance”, or something like that.

 

[VolunteerCeltic]

Explicitly, NCAA rules restrict recruiting once an nli is signed. Another school also cannot cannot contact a current player unless they are in the portal.

I dont think coaches follow those rules now, I think you will see it more rampant now....since coaches can essentially surf the college waiver wire to entice players to come to their school....

 

[WoodsmanVol]

From what I understand, many athletes qualify for the Pell Grant which is about $500 dollars a month. Schools also give them up up to $500 a month in something called, “cost of attendance”, or something like that.

I'm not versed in such grants and their policies. But if true, a big part of that problem is likely a lack of maturity in budgeting. I was very frugal I suspect due to coming from a financially challenged background. I can say based on what I saw, some kids from the same type of background aren't ready and having more money than they're used to seeing don't realize how limited it is. So spend it quickly and foolishly. That's no excuse because I too was in the same boat and quickly realized the price of stepping away from sensible stewardship of funds. Experience is a heck of a teacher.

But let's get back to the real issue, which is the greedy exploitation of schools regarding players' likeness but heavy punishment on any who dared to benefit from their own likeness. The very onesided scheme was greed and if they had not done that, we probably wouldn't be in this current mess we are now.

 

[jonnon111]

I'm so sick of this talk about coaches and players being equals. They are not.

Does your CEO have all the same schedules and rules you do? Or do they get some perks because they worked their way to the top?

If kids feel like tuition and food and shelter in the nicest facilities on campus is insufficient then real life is going to smack them in the mouth. Nowhere else in the world does a 20 hour a week job(players) be considered for the same benefits as a 100 hour a week job. If the players feel cheated by the system, then quit and get a real entry level job and see how much they make.

Please.remember head coaches, usually in their 40s or older, have been grad assistants for almost nothing, or off field guys making 30k a year, and high school coaches. So they didn't always make the same amount or have the same freedoms either. They earned them over time. And every head coach, at least the ones that played, played for Tuition and everyone got a long just fine.I

I just don't know why we act like these athletes need to be spoiled even more than they already are.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Even with that argument, exploiting player likeness while denying the players to benefit from their own likeness is just plain greed. And the penalties for players who dared to defy this was strong-arming which included being expelled and in some cases blacklisted. Now, about the food business, not all colleges are the same. The time I speak of I wasn't an athlete, but I was at the undergrad level. At my school, the cafeterias were closed during summer, except for a backroom area exclusive for faculty and staff exclusive of grounds workers. AND, I wasn't speaking specifically of UT but the player exploitation scheme in general. How's that for fallacy? In general, I can agree with you about the food thing, but it leaves the rest of the issues in earlier post unanswered. Which is what administrators did, they nitpicked among things to seem righteous when they were anything but...

I am speaking directly to the case you mentioned. Your comparison of student to student athlete is a nonsequitor. Apples and oranges. The school creates that likeness. Without promotion and playing time from the school, there is no likeness to profit from. If you are a fan of this, then let's just make them employees and let them pay taxes on all of the benefits they receive. These kids "suffer" for three years and then go and make more in their first year than you did in your first 5. I dont feel bad for them at all. If they dont like being exploited then go play in Canada or the XFL. AJ is proof you can train for several years and then do well.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I am speaking directly to the case you mentioned. Your comparison of student to student athlete is a nonsequitor. Apples and oranges. The school creates that likeness. Without promotion and playing time from the school, there is no likeness to profit from. If you are a fan of this, then let's just make them employees and let them pay taxes on all of the benefits they receive. These kids "suffer" for three years and then go and make more in their first year than you did in your first 5. I dont feel bad for them at all. If they dont like being exploited then go play in Canada or the XFL. AJ is proof you can train for several years and then do well.

Well.. I guess all that remains to say is:
I do my thing and you do your thing. I am not in this world to live up to your expectations, And you are not in this world to live up to mine. You are you, and I am I, and if by chance we find each other, it's beautiful. If not, it can't be helped.

Apologies to Frtiz Perls