Under Consideration: ncaa announces one-time immediate eligibility transfer exception

[I40flyer]

I generally agree with this, however, the one restriction that I would add would be that the school the player is transferring from, the "losing" school, can optionally require the player to miss any games the "gaining" school plays against the "losing" school in the year immediately following the transfer, otherwise no other penalties for one time transfer. A second transfer should always require the player to sit out a year except with a situation where the school is dropping the sport or moving to a lower division.

This is sound reasoning, great post.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Falls in line with schools buying players.

 

[stevenrich2003]

NCAA announces 1-time immediate eligibility transfer exception under consideration
Michael Wayne Bratton

The NCAA has just taken the next step to allow undergraduate student-athletes the ability to transfer one time without having to sit out a season. Under the current rules, only graduate transfer players are allowed to compete immediately following a transfer or undergraduate players that receive a hardship waiver to compete immediately.
The ACC recently publicly issued its support for the rule while the Big Ten has also issued its support for the rule, according to Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports.

The NCAA announced on Tuesday that a Transfer Waiver Working Group has been formed to consider the rule change.

“The current system is unsustainable. Working group members believe it’s time to bring our transfer rules more in line with today’s college landscape,” said working group chair Jon Steinbrecher, commissioner of the Mid-American Conference according to NCAA.org. “This concept provides a uniform approach that is understandable, predictable and objective. Most importantly, it benefits students.”
Should this rule pass, there still will be some restrictions on transfers seeking to gain their eligibility immediately at a new school. Athletes will have to have gained a release from their previous school, have to be in good academic standing, maintain academic progress at their new school and have no pending disciplinary actions or suspensions before gaining eligibility at a new school.
College athletes in non-revenue sports are currently allowed to transfer without restrictions.

NCAA announces 1-time immediate eligibility transfer exception under consideration

SHEWWW!!! if this passes things are going to get really, really interesting. I see both sides of the argument. I personally, wish that the rules were just cut and dry. No exceptions, no exclusions, just do you meet the criteria or not? If, you do transfer. If, you do not pay the penalty for leaving.

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

If they move at the same speed they have in making current eligibility decisions, don't expect this to move too quickly.

 

[cwbytruckers]

Free agency and big checks coming to college football. ESPN will create a new channel called The Portal. This will get ugly.

 

[Raebo]

Coaches can transfer from one school to the next. Why leave the kids out?

Coaches usually have to pay big bucks to leave one school for another. They might even have to pay more than they ever received in salary from the school.
For athletes, maybe the gaining school should pay the losing school something for the investment the losing school made in the player. That way it would be similar to a coach‘s buyout. For many players and sports, the first 2 years are spent building up the player and preparing them for major playing time during their Junior/Senior years.
Really though, the whole thing is all screwed up.

 

[Roustabout]

i worry what this will lead to even more problems. schools that lose a good coach could be set back years if half the team leaves. When the coach does leave will he take his whole team with him? will teams keep trying to recruit players even after their LOI is signed. changes can make the game better but it can also ruin the sport if it goes bad.

before you say I don’t worry about the players....I don’t. Free education and if they transfer they get an additional year of free education While they sit out. Being surrounded by thousands of young girls for an extra year before getting into the real world isn’t that bad.

It will be a hot mess.

 

[901 Orange]

Will he take his whole team with him? Are you serious? Schools only have 85 scholarships available.

I dnt think he ment entire team literally. It is likely that a coach brings his studs and makes room by pushing guys at the new school towards the transfer portal. I think this situation would be alot like when Calipari left Memphis. They had Wall, Cousins, Orton, & Bledsoe committed only to lose their entire recruiting class with the coach. They went from having 3 NBA players committed to having 2 threes star recruits over nite becuase of a coach going to a blueblood program.

 

[brentcontractor]

This will pass in some form. There will be a quick flurry of transfers then will slow down to manageble. Yes, it will put a further burden on coaches. Coaches will have to live up to the commentment that they made to the player. Scholarship limits will slow this down, especially if the tranfer number is included in the 25 limit of scholarships per year like it is now. Yes, the 25 limit is violated by a few numbers each year. (total different discussion). Yes, coaches will take players with them if they leave. Eventually player will get screwed because of a quick transfer that does not workout like he wanted. This act will slow down the transfers. Coaches will adjust. Players will adjust. Change is always a good thing. Embrace it.

 

[walkenvol]

I’m not sure I’m a huge fan of free agency college football. On top of that, it makes coaches lives that much more difficult . It’s already bad enough with the early signing period, now constantly recruiting your own team makes things that much more difficult.

Is there any job in the world that’s overpaid more than a college football coach? Wasn’t CJP a high school gym coach 15 years ago and now he’s getting over $3 million a year - great gig if you can land it just ask Butch. Don’t have any empathy for the coaches having it tougher due to a change that’s better for the athletes.

 

[RollerVol]

well, Stan, this is another fine mess you've gotten us into...

GO BIG ORANGE!

 

[TAD]

NCAA announces 1-time immediate eligibility transfer exception under consideration
Michael Wayne Bratton

The NCAA has just taken the next step to allow undergraduate student-athletes the ability to transfer one time without having to sit out a season. Under the current rules, only graduate transfer players are allowed to compete immediately following a transfer or undergraduate players that receive a hardship waiver to compete immediately.
The ACC recently publicly issued its support for the rule while the Big Ten has also issued its support for the rule, according to Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports.

The NCAA announced on Tuesday that a Transfer Waiver Working Group has been formed to consider the rule change.

“The current system is unsustainable. Working group members believe it’s time to bring our transfer rules more in line with today’s college landscape,” said working group chair Jon Steinbrecher, commissioner of the Mid-American Conference according to NCAA.org. “This concept provides a uniform approach that is understandable, predictable and objective. Most importantly, it benefits students.”
Should this rule pass, there still will be some restrictions on transfers seeking to gain their eligibility immediately at a new school. Athletes will have to have gained a release from their previous school, have to be in good academic standing, maintain academic progress at their new school and have no pending disciplinary actions or suspensions before gaining eligibility at a new school.
College athletes in non-revenue sports are currently allowed to transfer without restrictions.

NCAA announces 1-time immediate eligibility transfer exception under consideration

Its a good rule that allows players who have done everything right ... and because of depth charts etc ... can be allowed to transfer without restrictions .. the previous school will have to sign off and allow ... so this rule is for the marginal player that just cant crack lineup at current school and that school feels like the kid has done all he could do academically etc ... what you wont see if top notch players being allowed to leave if they are wanting to go to a in conference team or a team that his previous team might play ... the line will be drawn then .. if the previus school does not sign off on transfer then it will go back to the appeal process ...

 

[Only_1_OK]

I'm not fond of the "hardship" language built into that. I think a completely unrestricted, one time transfer can and should be included. Now, beyond that, I don't think student-athletes should be hopping from school to school every year until they run out of eligibility either. A one time, get out of jail free pass should be granted without a waiver or with a simple form.

My point is if a school decides to change coaches and the new athlete doesn't feel the new coach represents them, they should be allowed to depart without any restrictions at least once. Baker Mayfield is a prime example of how the system works against student-athletes in his transfer from Texas Tech to OU. He literally walked on at Texas Tech, transferred, walked on and OU and they still wouldn't grant him an immediate status even though he wasn't on scholarship.

Losing schools have too much power over the transfer process and losing coaches tend to throw temper tantrums when a player wants to move on to greener pastures.

 

[MarcoVol]

i worry what this will lead to even more problems. schools that lose a good coach could be set back years if half the team leaves. When the coach does leave will he take his whole team with him? will teams keep trying to recruit players even after their LOI is signed. changes can make the game better but it can also ruin the sport if it goes bad.

before you say I don’t worry about the players....I don’t. Free education and if they transfer they get an additional year of free education While they sit out. Being surrounded by thousands of young girls for an extra year before getting into the real world isn’t that bad.

Gonna take a wild guess that you were never one of those players. Am I right or am I right?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I dnt think he ment entire team literally. It is likely that a coach brings his studs and makes room by pushing guys at the new school towards the transfer portal. I think this situation would be alot like when Calipari left Memphis. They had Wall, Cousins, Orton, & Bledsoe committed only to lose their entire recruiting class with the coach. They went from having 3 NBA players committed to having 2 threes star recruits over nite becuase of a coach going to a blueblood program.

So?

 

[Volfansince1980]

Athletes aren't paid for their work?

Your reasoning for making a distinction between coaches and players is weak and you are on the wrong side of both the argument and history.

I think his argument is a valid one. Trying to conflate coaches who are paid for their services to players who are student athletes and not employees of the university is faulty logic. I’m not against a one time transfer rule, but there needs to be stipulations to prevent a wider divide between the haves and the have nots. This would include using the transfer portal as a mechanism to prevent tampering from other coaches, a 2 year rule to prevent kids from committing and leaving a university in 2 week, and forfeiting the ability to be a graduate transfer if you used your one time transfer earlier in your amateur career. Obviously there needs to be other safeguards, but no one wants this to turn into the Wild West where 6-7 teams create even more separation from the pack

 

[kell7517]

WTF do coaches commit to when they sign multi-million dollar contracts?

Coaches don't have to sit a year between jobs, so why make that distinction for players?

Yes they do. That’s why it’s a contract, and when they leave their is a penalty, ie, buyout.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

i worry what this will lead to even more problems. schools that lose a good coach could be set back years if half the team leaves. When the coach does leave will he take his whole team with him? will teams keep trying to recruit players even after their LOI is signed. changes can make the game better but it can also ruin the sport if it goes bad.

before you say I don’t worry about the players....I don’t. Free education and if they transfer they get an additional year of free education While they sit out. Being surrounded by thousands of young girls for an extra year before getting into the real world isn’t that bad.

It will lead to more problems. It could have been avoided if schools hadn't insisted on being greedy and wanton exploitation of their athletes. Players shouldn't have to call their coaches for tacos due to having nothing to eat. Nor should players have to ask coaches for secret "loans" to pay their rent or transportation to and from campus. I guess you can say the chickens have come home to roost. I had two scholarships at one time during my graduate studies. Two? Yeah, one for exceptional grades and one for my field of study. Despite being more frugal than a Scot, and taking part-time, holiday break, and summer jobs on campus, I still had to skip meals from time to time, and walk instead of taking a bus just to buy food. Colleges got richer from exploiting the likeness of their players, didn't share it, and those who made it big in the pros were hopefully expected to donate big time to their college despite this. So the way I see it, this new mess proposal will generate more mess. Which again could have been avoided long ago if greed had been set aside. Now, those who want to go on the warpath due to my post, go ahead. The way I see it, our current situation is a case of you reap what you sow. With the harvest now here and stored, I'll just eat some buttermilk biscuits dipped in melted honey butter and sip alfalfa tea beside the fireplace while watching replays of UT football games. Vols forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Only_1_OK]

I think his argument is a valid one. Trying to conflate coaches who are paid for their services to players who are student athletes and not employees of the university is faulty logic. I’m not against a one time transfer rule, but there needs to be stipulations to prevent a wider divide between the haves and the have nots. This would include using the transfer portal as a mechanism to prevent tampering from other coaches, a 2 year rule to prevent kids from committing and leaving a university in 2 week, and forfeiting the ability to be a graduate transfer if you used your one time transfer earlier in your amateur career. Obviously there needs to be other safeguards, but no one wants this to turn into the Wild West where 6-7 teams create even more separation from the pack

Scholarship limits would keep this in check to an extent.

But even now, 6-7 teams do have the separation from the rest of the pack so to speak. Check out the teams that stay in the top 10 in recruiting each and every year for a list of them. I'm not talking about those teams that crack the top 10 every few years (like the Vols) but teams like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State, etc that continue to pull in the highest rated recruits of the cycle annually.

I think it's unfair to the athletes themselves if they aren't allowed some mechanism for transfer and immediate eligibility when they don't believe their best interests are being met by their current team.

 

[Smokeyone]

I would add the caveat that transfers after their second year would be exempt from sitting. I would require them to at least give the school a chance.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Is there any job in the world that’s overpaid more than a college football coach? Wasn’t CJP a high school gym coach 15 years ago and now he’s getting over $3 million a year - great gig if you can land it just ask Butch. Don’t have any empathy for the coaches having it tougher due to a change that’s better for the athletes.

Of course the money is good, but that’s not everything. It makes them less efficient at being a good coach because their focus is way more off the field than it used to be. It takes even more time away from your family between Conference Championship games and bowl games because of the early signing period and the coaching carousel. This is all extra work that taxes coaches and their families, which in turn makes the NFL look that much more appealing. I’m not against helping the athlete, but I also believe in a pecking order . I’m not against athletes capitalizing off their likeness or getting a piece of the pie, but I think there should be some checks and balances and not a free for all in free agency.

 

[Behr]

Coaches can transfer from one school to the next. Why leave the kids out?

The answer is in the question. They're still kids. Not sure how you can compare the two.

I guess since the adults do it even though its wrong, we should let the kids do it too.

WTF do coaches commit to when they sign multi-million dollar contracts?

Coaches don't have to sit a year between jobs, so why make that distinction for players?

They don't have to pay hundreds of thousands if not millions in some cases to leave?

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

I agree. But it could create a level of chaos that teams have trouble managing

 

[VolunteerCeltic]

What is going to stop coaches from continuing to recruit kids that signed with another school and entice them to transfer after a year? I think this could potentially make the whole college recruitment process a much dirtier nastier process, however if they put logical, stringent rules in place for student athletes to transfer, then they would have to put in severe penalties for coaches, staff, boosters or handlers that are caught recruiting kids from one school to another under the premise of transferring. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Halph66]

This is good for the student athletes for sure.

The first time a school fires a coach and the entire team, or even half of the team says, fine, i'm transferring. I can see a schools entire program decimated just like that. A school can only add 25 players in a given year. This could be crippling.