The Iceman vs Manning

Ice Man or Manning?

  • Casey Clausen

  • Peyton Manning

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#101
#101
NEOCON said:
You got one game.

You have no idea who the opponent is and your soul is on the line, eternal heaven or hell.

The opponent could be any team. Florida, Bama, Ga....

You don’t know the opponent until kick off.

You have to pick either Casey or Peyton as your QB.

Who you pick?
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Going with the future hall of fame QB, who graduated cum laude (super smart), experienced on-field general, the Great PM. Easy decision.
 
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#102
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Can you provide stats that prove the wins on 2001 and 2003 were mainly due to Clausen?
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Yeah the stats are he didn't blow the game. U can throw for 500 and still lose. So the stats dnt mean anything. If anybody could do what he did why does every starting qb from '94 til RN have a losing record against FLA??? Dnt give me "fla had a down year" bc they have had other down years and still managed to beat us. Heck there were a couple times were we had more talent and they still won.
 
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#105
VFL49er said:
I would not only rather have Peyton over CC (obviously), there are probably 3 or 4 UT quarterbacks I’d take over CC
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Dobbs played well enough to beat FL in 2015 and 2016. Don’t think he was the starter in 2014 but we should have won that one two. Unfortunately Butch lost two FL games with Dobbs at QB. He should have been a FL killer.
 
#106
#106
On the field Peyton was pretty but Casey was clutch. Got to go with the Ice Man. He's my all time favorite Vol for a reason
 
#108
#108
wombat7477 said:
I was as big a PM fan as anyone else, but if you deny he had a tendency to try too hard and implode against Florida (and later New England at times), then you weren't being honest with yourself.

Yes it's a team sport: he didn't lose games by himself, and he didn't win games by himself - you can't have it both ways.

But against those two rivals, you could feel how tense he was. How badly he wanted to win. The second things started to go badly for them against those two teams, he started pressing. Making bad decisions on top of bad decisions. He just wasn't himself in those games.

I think he improved that tendency later on against the Patriots, however.

Casey wasn't as gifted physically, but damn he was hard to rattle.
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#109
#109
For me, Peyton was obviously better. But something about watching Casey play was just fun. The way he carried himself, they way he moved around in the pocket to avoid the rush, the way he flung the ball around, the way he gave his all whenever he had to run the ball. That 19 yard 4th down pass. Heck, the two minute 80 yard drive with no timeouts to get it to overtime. The almost 21 point comeback at Auburn. Might have succeeded had Mark Jones not been so exhausted he couldn't complete his pattern. The 21 point comeback at Kentucky. All that was just pure fun to me. Peytons games didn't have that fun factor for me. I guess expectations for his perfection at all times was the reason for that.
 
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#110
Ah, the age old argument that every win or loss is 100% on the QB. You would think the QB is only one playing. I’m sure the Florida losses in the 90s weren’t 100% Peytons fault and Clausen’s wins in the early 2000’s were not 100% due to him. We have elevated the status of QBs way to much to the point where it is disrespectful to the other players on the field. Yes QBs contribute but it is very rare that they singlehandedly beat teams by themselves.
 
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#111
Grudenhaslanded said:
Not to mention that Casey didn’t have as good of a backfield, WR Corp, or defense as Peyton did during his time. If you’re talking Pro career, then yeah, Peyton developed into a really good QB. However, his pro career is overrated as well.
Either way, give me Shuler over both of them in college.
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The 2001 roster may have been the most talented roster in Tennessee's history, including the entire defensive line playing in the NFL. I counted at least 32 players from that roster that played in the NFL.
 
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NEOCON said:
You got one game.

You have no idea who the opponent is and your soul is on the line, eternal heaven or hell.

The opponent could be any team. Florida, Bama, Ga....

You don’t know the opponent until kick off.

You have to pick either Casey or Peyton as your QB.

Who you pick?
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I didnt vote. But, in my reality we built a humanoid robot version of both of them, like WW. Turned up the juice and let er rip.
 
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901 Orange said:
Yeah the stats are he didn't blow the game. U can throw for 500 and still lose. So the stats dnt mean anything. If anybody could do what he did why does every starting qb from '94 til RN have a losing record against FLA??? Dnt give me "fla had a down year" bc they have had other down years and still managed to beat us. Heck there were a couple times were we had more talent and they still won.
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Exactly what I thought you couldn’t provide anything to back up your statement. Clausen didn’t blow the games and neither did he win them. Just like Peyton. Also as I have said the 95-97 UF teams were Spurriers best. You can ignore that fact all you want but look at the records. 95-97 UF went 34-4 and lost a total of 2 SEC games. 2001-2003 UF went 26-12. It’s not even close. Clausen played like crap in 2001 yet they still won.

The TN defense gave up 130 points in 3 games from 95-97. There is no actual statistical reason to say Clausen would be a better pick to win a game than Peyton.
 
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#117
Casey's coaching at the high school level, has been for a while in SoCal. Presently coaching his old alma mater. Now that PF is running UTAD, I'd love to see Casey come back as a position coach at least. With Tee, Jay, and Casey on staff we would have a natural progression of VFLs ready to go behind Pruitt. Sort of like when Majors was here he had a solid underpinning of PF, The Chief, and Cafego.
 
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#119
#119
BigOrangeTrain said:
Why?
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The big moments gave Peyton problems early in his career, whereas Clausen had a nag for rising up in similar situations. Not always, but more so than Peyton in their early years.

That said, Peyton is my all time favorite athlete. This isn’t a knock against Peyton.
 
#121
#121
VolforFootball said:
The big moments gave Peyton problems early in his career, whereas Clausen had a nag for rising up in similar situations. Not always, but more so than Peyton in their early years.

That said, Peyton is my all time favorite athlete. This isn’t a knock against Peyton.
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Peyton first 2 years: 18-2
Casey first 2 years: 17-3
PM 2 losses were 1 loss Bama that finished number 5 and one loss Florida that finished number 3.
CC 3 losses: 3 loss KSU, 4 loss Georgia, 3 loss LSU.

Both had good first 2 seasons PM probably a little better. Both had signature wins so I give that a draw.
 
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thehill98 said:
Peyton first 2 years: 18-2
Casey first 2 years: 17-3
PM 2 losses were 1 loss Bama that finished number 5 and one loss Florida that finished number 3.
CC 3 losses: 3 loss KSU, 4 loss Georgia, 3 loss LSU.

Both had good first 2 seasons PM probably a little better. Both had signature wins so I give that a draw.
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Yeah you’re right, good point.
 
#124
#124
BigOrangeTrain said:
Exactly what I thought you couldn’t provide anything to back up your statement. Clausen didn’t blow the games and neither did he win them. Just like Peyton. Also as I have said the 95-97 UF teams were Spurriers best. You can ignore that fact all you want but look at the records. 95-97 UF went 34-4 and lost a total of 2 SEC games. 2001-2003 UF went 26-12. It’s not even close. Clausen played like crap in 2001 yet they still won.

The TN defense gave up 130 points in 3 games from 95-97. There is no actual statistical reason to say Clausen would be a better pick to win a game than Peyton.
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And u still aint told me why everyone has a losing record vs fla except him
 
#125
#125
BigOrangeTrain said:
Exactly what I thought you couldn’t provide anything to back up your statement. Clausen didn’t blow the games and neither did he win them. Just like Peyton. Also as I have said the 95-97 UF teams were Spurriers best. You can ignore that fact all you want but look at the records. 95-97 UF went 34-4 and lost a total of 2 SEC games. 2001-2003 UF went 26-12. It’s not even close. Clausen played like crap in 2001 yet they still won.

The TN defense gave up 130 points in 3 games from 95-97. There is no actual statistical reason to say Clausen would be a better pick to win a game than Peyton.
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U talking about some of Spurrier's best teams. They beat us when they didnt have the best teams so thats irrelevant. U acting like we didn't have some of our best teams during that time as well. If i remember correctly our 97 team was more talented then the 98 team. That 97 fla team lost to LSU and Ga that year. Still beat us. In 96 we were the 2nd ranked team in the country going into that game and they were 4th so dnt bring up Spurrier's best bring up those 4 int's. U not beating the local middle school if u throw 4 int's. Wanna go to 95?? Im pretty sure we were up 30-14 in the second quater before they went on 48-7 run like it was basketball. Whose fualt is it when that happens in most cases??? The qb, so im not giving him a pass even though i think he is the goat. Clausen aint better then Peyton but if its one game, and its against Fla I want the Iceman
 
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