2020 Presidential Race

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VolnJC said:
I've never heard the term neoliberal centrist...anyone else see a split coming in the Democratic party...maybe a 3rd party called the Progressives?
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If you follow the link Bernie has kids on stage that can't even vote yet. The indoctrination is real. Also, apparently leftist politicians like Tlaib must be making defamatory remarks about most of the party.

In the deep lust for power what most reasonable democrats will find out is the Cortez, Omar, Tlaib wing wants them destroyed as well. They are too stupid to see it now. Cortez is just a dimwit Bernie understudy. Omar is a Somalian terrorist sympathizer and same with Tlaib who backs anti Israel policies.

If not for the damage it could potentially do to America, I would almost like to see the Bernie wing turn the party upside down since the democrsts have played with fire trying to please them - a small minority within the democratic party whose message keeps growing because they let it fester as mainstream and legitimate.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Because it's universally accepted within the democratic party. The core party message is political and social continuum. Look at Bernie - an admitted socialist accepted by the democratic party in order to own another pocket of votes. Normally an independent is thought of someone between the democratic and republican parties that can swing either direction. Not Sanders - he is left of the democratic party yet he hijacks the idea of an independent.
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Bern is somewhere between communist and socialist.
 
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BreatheUT said:
If 2 becomes 4 then it's highly likely that we allowed a radical wing left wing to take root as a legitimate threat to the republic with socialist/communist principles and ideas.
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What we consider our radical left would actually be centrist pretty much anywhere else in the world. We're lurching hard right and moving there faster with each passing year.
 
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AshG said:
What we consider our radical left would actually be centrist pretty much anywhere else in the world. We're lurching hard right and moving there faster with each passing year.
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How do you figure? The policies of the leading Dem candidates are all far left of where Obama was in 2008. Obama didn't go for Medicare for all, paying off student loans or free college.

As for the country we now have gay marriage in every state and the LBGBT folks have literally changed our dictionary. The word "we" is no longer a plural term anymore. We now don't have just 2 sexes, let alone gender identities.

It's the Republicans trying to keep us sane, not move us further right
 
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Sea Ray said:
How do you figure? The policies of the leading Dem candidates are all far left of where Obama was in 2008. Obama didn't go for Medicare for all, paying off student loans or free college.

As for the country we now have gay marriage in every state and the LBGBT folks have literally changed our dictionary. The word "we" is no longer a plural term anymore. We now don't have just 2 sexes, let alone gender identities.

It's the Republicans trying to keep us sane, not move us further right
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You're looking at things from a perspective inside the machine. If you step away and look at American policies and stances over the course of our Republic, you'll find that the Reagan years and the connection with the Moral Majority and Religious Right prompted movement further to the right at a faster rate than normal. Yes, there are some left outliers, but overall the policies of the left at large closely mirror the policies of the right at the turn of the 1900s.
 
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Sea Ray said:
How do you figure? The policies of the leading Dem candidates are all far left of where Obama was in 2008. Obama didn't go for Medicare for all, paying off student loans or free college.

As for the country we now have gay marriage in every state and the LBGBT folks have literally changed our dictionary. The word "we" is no longer a plural term anymore. We now don't have just 2 sexes, let alone gender identities.

It's the Republicans trying to keep us sane, not move us further right
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Nail on the head. I'm not sure what AshG is talking about. Besides who cares what the rest of the world is doing. We are not trying to follow the European model or any other model. We are the leaders of the free world for a reason and not because we're followers.
 
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AshG said:
You're looking at things from a perspective inside the machine. If you step away and look at American policies and stances over the course of our Republic, you'll find that the Reagan years and the connection with the Moral Majority and Religious Right prompted movement further to the right at a faster rate than normal. Yes, there are some left outliers, but overall the policies of the left at large closely mirror the policies of the right at the turn of the 1900s.
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The policies of the left today mirror the policies of the right in the 1900s ? 👀
 
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0nelilreb said:
The policies of the left today mirror the policies of the right in the 1900s ? 👀
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If you look at the current economic and social safety policies of the left, compare them to the economic and social safety policies of the right up until the mid 1970s, you'll see some striking similarities. Yes. The Republican party was, for most of the 1900s, the party of making sure that little Johnny was fed and Grandpa Joe didn't have to worry about life after retirement. Now it's the party working to remove what they put in place.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Trying to make the veiled argument that the parties flipped and today's Republicans are really 60's democrats.
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No, I'm making the case that the Republicans are becoming either authoritarian Libertarians or anarcho-Libertarians, and that's where the party will split.
 
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AshG said:
What we consider our radical left would actually be centrist pretty much anywhere else in the world. We're lurching hard right and moving there faster with each passing year.
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And look at all the problems the liberal “progressive” bs is causing worldwide. Even as we fight to move right there is very little “centrist” about where we stand now. The liberal mob is trying to destroy us from the inside.
 
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